09-08-2022, 04:08 PMjumpSeat Wrote: Irregardless of anyone's views on modern monarchies or politics or what have you, let's not forget a life has ended here, and I do think that should take precedence over all the peripheral stuff. I mean, I'm no great fan of 'royal families' either, but I do know they still mean something to a lot of older folks in particular, so I try to acknowledge that reality and respect their feelings.

Elizabeth was a very public figure throughout her life, some would even say iconic. And it truly is the end of an era in the sense that she was the only British monarch any of us have ever known in our lifetimes.

Any debate about whether this might be a good time to abolish the monarchy should be saved for another day. Today is a day to remember and be grateful for a life that included spreading a lot of good will (especially to children) throughout the world.

To use a sports metaphor, we'll likely never see her kind again, as her record for longest reigning British monarch in history will undoubtedly go untouched for the foreseeable future, and who knows, maybe for all time.

In closing, positive thoughts, prayers and condolences to those who truly loved her, and to all those who's lives she touched. Today we reach out to share her loss with you, and we sincerely hope Elizabeth awakes in a much better place!

09-08-2022, 06:14 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: Counter point, it's rad when old racist oppressors die and the real tragedy here is she lived into old age

09-08-2022, 11:12 PMjumpSeat Wrote:

09-08-2022, 06:14 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: Counter point, it's rad when old racist oppressors die and the real tragedy here is she lived into old age

It's interesting you bring up the idea of counter points, as normally I'm very interested in looking at both sides. In this case however I wonder what's to be gained? I'm in no position to judge whether charges like this are true or not, and frankly I suspect I'd never be able to "prove" it one way or the other.  So the question of whether she was a hero or a villain of history seems rather moot.

That said, you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I just hope it's well informed.

09-08-2022, 03:09 PMsve7en Wrote: @Mutedfaith your branding is offensive, please rebrand

09-09-2022, 12:35 AMAtox Wrote: Henry Kissinger claims another soul to continue his eternal life

09-08-2022, 11:12 PMjumpSeat Wrote:

09-08-2022, 06:14 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: Counter point, it's rad when old racist oppressors die and the real tragedy here is she lived into old age

It's interesting you bring up the idea of counter points, as normally I'm very interested in looking at both sides. In this case however I wonder what's to be gained? I'm in no position to judge whether charges like this are true or not, and frankly I suspect I'd never be able to "prove" it one way or the other.  So the question of whether she was a hero or a villain of history seems rather moot.

That said, you certainly are entitled to your opinion. I just hope it's well informed.

09-09-2022, 11:49 AMGrapehead Wrote: If you're unfamiliar with the crimes of the british monarchy, perhaps you should just keep quiet and not expect others to hold their tongue just cause some old bag kicked it.

09-09-2022, 07:12 PMjumpSeat Wrote:

09-09-2022, 11:49 AMGrapehead Wrote: If you're unfamiliar with the crimes of the british monarchy, perhaps you should just keep quiet and not expect others to hold their tongue just cause some old bag kicked it.

I suppose I'm unfamiliar with your version of what constitutes 'proof of alleged personal crimes', but that's fair. After all I'm not psychic. 

09-09-2022, 07:56 PMGrapehead Wrote: I'm just saying there are tons of people with perfectly valid reasons to celebrate her death. Personally I'm not one of those people, but I recognize the evil that this monarchy in particular represents to several regions of the world.

09-09-2022, 08:41 PMjumpSeat Wrote:

09-09-2022, 07:56 PMGrapehead Wrote: I'm just saying there are tons of people with perfectly valid reasons to celebrate her death. Personally I'm not one of those people, but I recognize the evil that this monarchy in particular represents to several regions of the world.

I guess what I'm saying is that while it's true the British Monarchy has a very tainted past, particularly with the way it treated certain indigenous peoples, (even to the point of destroying their language and culture - some would even charge genocide), I don't think you can lay all of that at her feet personally.