11-27-2019, 06:22 PMztevans Wrote:

11-27-2019, 05:40 PMJKortesi81 Wrote: The biggest problem in the SHL has always been how awful the builds are with STHS. Awful in terms of "easy to max, everyone looks the same, etc".

The idea of making more unique builds among EVERYONE, and making it damn near impossible to "max out" means it'll be more fun. And if anything, it'll bring in a lot more players. No longer will we lose players who want to play more "goon-like" or be a shutdown center, etc.

The more options we have, the more people we can collect to join the ranks along the way, and the best things will be for the site in general.

HEY HEY HEY that reminds me to the goon point.  I noticed in one of those spreadsheets it mentions that the enforcer/goon types can lower opponents' "bravery." Is that a thing that would be in effect for us (and thus make those player types something of value other than 'Please get in a fight with the other team's star and get them off the ice for five minutes?')

11-27-2019, 06:34 PMSlashACM Wrote: Maybe if we switch to FHM the Panthers might actually be good


Right now they arent

11-27-2019, 06:45 PMChris-McZehrl Wrote: Snip

Like I said before ... I would like to see 100% hopeless things for STHS and then we should talk about those changes. If we all did try to fight against this problem and we still have hopeless then you have my 100% vote. But just say it is so but not really try to use the creativity to talk with Simon or try to change this problem with like build template changes + way less TPE + the fact that normally  no team having this gaps between passing and scoring if needed After all test about that I tried to bring up earlier here .....

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11-27-2019, 07:02 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Just out of curiosity, have there been test sims where we kept everything as is and just had a single guy with the 40 PA build on a team? If so, how did he perform and how did things change the more 40 PA players were added to the team, while the rest of the league stayed the same? I think so far I only saw screenshots with lots of those players on one team, or them being distributed around the league, but then again I haven't followed the entire discussion.

Izzy brought up an interesting point by the way, I think one of the biggest changes the SHL has seen in recent years has been the increased min-maxing especially from the managing side, with people trying to understand every facet of the sim and doing extensive testing and statistical analysis in a way that hasn't been done before. It is a double-edged sword, because on the one hand it adds value to the league like the advanced stats stats that we now have, and the people engaged in it are among the most dedicated ones that we have, after all they only do it because they care a lot about this place. But on the other hand, this kind of min-maxing and optimization does take away some of the magic and the fun as well. Being able to understand and rationalize every little detail about the engine doesn't necessarily make things more fun, it makes them predictable and takes away options because it creates a "meta" that people have to adhere to if they want to have success.

I think this is something that we should keep an eye on in the future, of course we can't prevent people from investing time to familiarize themselves with the sim and analyzing it, but I think it might be wise to pace ourselves a bit more than we are doing now or else we risk creating sort of an arms race were new exploits and shortcuts to success will be identified at a higher and higher pace, forcing everyone to deal with the fallout every time this happens anew.

11-27-2019, 08:22 PMTomen Wrote:

11-27-2019, 07:02 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Just out of curiosity, have there been test sims where we kept everything as is and just had a single guy with the 40 PA build on a team? If so, how did he perform and how did things change the more 40 PA players were added to the team, while the rest of the league stayed the same? I think so far I only saw screenshots with lots of those players on one team, or them being distributed around the league, but then again I haven't followed the entire discussion.

Izzy brought up an interesting point by the way, I think one of the biggest changes the SHL has seen in recent years has been the increased min-maxing especially from the managing side, with people trying to understand every facet of the sim and doing extensive testing and statistical analysis in a way that hasn't been done before. It is a double-edged sword, because on the one hand it adds value to the league like the advanced stats stats that we now have, and the people engaged in it are among the most dedicated ones that we have, after all they only do it because they care a lot about this place. But on the other hand, this kind of min-maxing and optimization does take away some of the magic and the fun as well. Being able to understand and rationalize every little detail about the engine doesn't necessarily make things more fun, it makes them predictable and takes away options because it creates a "meta" that people have to adhere to if they want to have success.

I think this is something that we should keep an eye on in the future, of course we can't prevent people from investing time to familiarize themselves with the sim and analyzing it, but I think it might be wise to pace ourselves a bit more than we are doing now or else we risk creating sort of an arms race were new exploits and shortcuts to success will be identified at a higher and higher pace, forcing everyone to deal with the fallout every time this happens anew.

3 players at 40 Passing and 99 Scoring. Phelps, Tig, Wilson rest the same. I didn't even adjust the other attributes.



Records broken in this screen:
Most goals (current Era) : 38
Most Assists: current Era, only 1 shy of all-time): 49
Most Points ( current Era): 79

Other noticeable stats:
300 shots ( 4 shy of current Era top 5)
Most Points by a D current Era: I think this ties Due's  all-time record.
2 +/- shy of current era top 5 +/-

11-27-2019, 06:34 PMSlashACM Wrote: Maybe if we switch to FHM the Panthers might actually be good


Right now they arent

11-27-2019, 10:37 PMスウェグキング Wrote:

11-27-2019, 06:34 PMSlashACM Wrote: Maybe if we switch to FHM the Panthers might actually be good


Right now they arent

It might help you be able to win a McBride too

11-27-2019, 10:57 PMSlashACM Wrote:

11-27-2019, 10:37 PMスウェグキング Wrote: It might help you be able to win a McBride too

Individual awards are overrated

11-27-2019, 10:57 PMSlashACM Wrote:

11-27-2019, 10:37 PMスウェグキング Wrote: It might help you be able to win a McBride too

Individual awards are overrated

11-28-2019, 12:15 AMArGarBarGar Wrote:

11-27-2019, 10:57 PMSlashACM Wrote: Individual awards are overrated

When someone brings up the fact you haven't won a Challenge Cup (don't even try to bring up S45), will you assert that team awards are overrated as well?

11-28-2019, 12:35 AMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:

11-28-2019, 12:15 AMArGarBarGar Wrote: When someone brings up the fact you haven't won a Challenge Cup (don't even try to bring up S45), will you assert that team awards are overrated as well?

S45

11-28-2019, 12:15 AMArGarBarGar Wrote:

11-27-2019, 10:57 PMSlashACM Wrote: Individual awards are overrated

When someone brings up the fact you haven't won a Challenge Cup (don't even try to bring up S45), will you assert that team awards are overrated as well?

11-27-2019, 08:22 PMTomen Wrote:

11-27-2019, 07:02 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Just out of curiosity, have there been test sims where we kept everything as is and just had a single guy with the 40 PA build on a team? If so, how did he perform and how did things change the more 40 PA players were added to the team, while the rest of the league stayed the same? I think so far I only saw screenshots with lots of those players on one team, or them being distributed around the league, but then again I haven't followed the entire discussion.

Izzy brought up an interesting point by the way, I think one of the biggest changes the SHL has seen in recent years has been the increased min-maxing especially from the managing side, with people trying to understand every facet of the sim and doing extensive testing and statistical analysis in a way that hasn't been done before. It is a double-edged sword, because on the one hand it adds value to the league like the advanced stats stats that we now have, and the people engaged in it are among the most dedicated ones that we have, after all they only do it because they care a lot about this place. But on the other hand, this kind of min-maxing and optimization does take away some of the magic and the fun as well. Being able to understand and rationalize every little detail about the engine doesn't necessarily make things more fun, it makes them predictable and takes away options because it creates a "meta" that people have to adhere to if they want to have success.

I think this is something that we should keep an eye on in the future, of course we can't prevent people from investing time to familiarize themselves with the sim and analyzing it, but I think it might be wise to pace ourselves a bit more than we are doing now or else we risk creating sort of an arms race were new exploits and shortcuts to success will be identified at a higher and higher pace, forcing everyone to deal with the fallout every time this happens anew.

3 players at 40 Passing and 99 Scoring. Phelps, Tig, Wilson rest the same. I didn't even adjust the other attributes.



Records broken in this screen:
Most goals (current Era) : 38
Most Assists: current Era, only 1 shy of all-time): 49
Most Points ( current Era): 79

Other noticeable stats:
300 shots ( 4 shy of current Era top 5)
Most Points by a D current Era: I think this ties Due's  all-time record.
2 +/- shy of current era top 5 +/-