12-03-2021, 10:35 AMleviadan Wrote:

12-03-2021, 10:21 AMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: Counter-question, why is it so important to so many people to have 2100 TPE instead of 1900 when what determines you players value is how his relative TPE level is compared to that of his peers? What does that type of highscore thinking accomplish when it gets to the point where people claim the whole league experience is ruined for them when they can't hit an arbitrary number for 2 or 3 out of their 15 total seasons anymore?

This is not meant as a slight against you, you made some very good points in your previous post about the things that are indeed problematic about this change and could maybe have been done better.

I think you're right, it's largely arbitrary whether me or other peak players are at 2100 or 1900 if the on ice outcome is roughly the same. I don't really think I have a high score mentality with the site, despite what my TPE might imply. What hits hard about it is that the 400 TPE being taken is representative of something like 10+ PTs / mPTs, multiple CWs, a few hours of media for seasons of top coaching, etc. The fact that we all had to do that to just have it slashed... sucks? I should have just stopped when I hit 2k if I knew that was the HO approved TPE peak.

I max earned because I had fun doing it and because I wanted to have a really strong player. I understand that everyone being slashed means that I'll still be a top player. I'm fine with that, and I'm fine with a shorter peak. I see that it's good for the league and I agree with it. What I don't feel like is being adequately explained is why TPE inflation is an issue other than it's making 2k less prestigious. I see the need for harsher regression, what I don't see the need for is undoing hours of PT/CW/media work for the sake of what appears to just be trying to maintain the TPE prestige and the TPE records of older players.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with the max-earner mindset and I would argue that it is still absolutely valid, as you'll still be able to get an edge on everybody else if you show that kind of committment - it's just that one arbitrary total TPE-number that will look a bit smaller than it did for players in the past.

It's more of a philosophical discussion but in my personal opinion, having too much of a min-maxing mindset is probably the biggest factor that has has been ruining the league experience slowly but steadily over the last few years. It's what leads to a lot of frustration in situations like this one here, it leads to people subjecting themselves to a certain grind not because they actually enjoy it but because they feel that that's just what you are supposed to do. And at the end of the day, it's also what has given us the big test-simming and exploit problems we have today.

It feels like more and more people want to or feel forced to squeeze out the last bit of efficiency and personal advantage out of the system instead of just going with the flow and enjoying the experience as it happens. I'm not sure it's something that could even be dialed back, but I would love for us to get away from that mindset and just "live in the moment" a bit more, to put it in hippie terms.

And just to emphasize it again, for me max-earning isn't the problem, there is nothing wrong with max-earning if it is something that you actually enjoy, that you feel intrinsically motivated to do, as seems to be the case with you. The problem is chasing an imaginary number that ultimately doesn't really mean anything either out of personal pride (to surpass previous classes etc) or because you feel like you "have" to do it because everyone is doing it these days and you'd be letting down your team if you peaked at 1700 TPE and not 2000+.

Of course that doesn't change the fact that this specific situation hurts for a lot of people right now. They got get something taken away from them that they expected to get for years, and there's no real way to make that any easier to stomach. It's a frustration that is absolutely justified on a personal level even when I think the net result of this change will be positive.