I don't think it should punished as badly as a private tampering. But idk enough to argue tbh

Yeah I agree with this

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

Poor ruling imo and I have literally no connection to Minnesota, in fact this happening to a conference team is a huge advantage. Beneath the rule in the rulebook there is a post for clarification. It reads:

Alright so there were some good points in the thread yesterday that not a lot of people understand where the line is when it comes to tampering. The rule as I plan to interpret it, is when a player or GM from another team seeks another member outside of the SHL public forums with the intent of asking them to try to join their team. (so this would include pms, other websites, messengers etc.)

The reason I say outside of the public forum, is because what do you actually gain by posting something about wanting someone to join your team in a place where everyone can see, what advantage does it give you? There's a big difference between something you are willing to say in front of everyone and something you say outside of the league's eye. What the league doesn't want is people behind closed doors colluding together or trying to gain players in a way that is against the rules.

If you guys take it too far and outside of the realm of fun, we'll have to take it in a stricter sense but I hope that's not the case. Please everyone take tampering seriously, because I know a lot of people were like well everyone does it, hopefully letting people know they can say things in the public forum is totally acceptable hopefully that will eliminate all the "back room" tampering that occurs in the league. Which is what we really want to get rid of.

Summary:

• Purpose of the rule is to prevent "back room tampering" which we can all agree 100% this is not.
  
• It clearly states the rule should be interpreted as "when a player or GM from another team seeks another member outside of the SHL public forums with the intent of asking them to try to join their team."
  
• The interpretation even includes later re-visiting the rule if people "take it too far" which almost 100% of us agree this did.
  

While it would be nice to say this is unreasonable, it's not supported by the interpretation linked in the rule book. I'm all for re-visiting the rule, and in fact that's what the rulebook says we should do if the current system is abused. The rulebook does not say to punish that team with tampering. Daco is an asshole for what he did, but you can't punish someone for being an asshole when the rules are in their favour.

You’re quoting a rulebook adjustment from 2013. Since then the rule has been adjusted further, to keep public tampering “within reason”. Malicious, targeted tampering is not within reason.

KARI KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kari Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Oulu, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'1"
WEIGHT: 185 lbs
NUMBER: 33
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 40, G: 10, A: 26, P: 36, +/-: 16, H: 42

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S19 KEL: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 6, P: 6, +/-: 0, H: 6
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KAAPO KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Kaapo Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Helsinki, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 210 lbs
NUMBER: 19
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SHL CAREER STATS
S25 LAP: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: -4, H: 75
S26 LAP: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: -13, H: 94
S27 LAP: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 9, P: 15, +/-: -2, H: 35
S28 LAP: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 10, P: 17, +/-: -2, H: 96
S29 LAP: GP: 50, G: 13, A: 21, P: 34, +/-: -15, H: 85
S30 LAP: GP: 50, G: 23, A: 22, P: 45, +/-: 4, H: 130
S31 LAP: GP: 50, G: 20, A: 18, P: 38, +/-: 5, H: 162
S32 LAP: GP: 50, G: 18, A: 28, P: 46, +/-: 27, H: 183
S33 LAP: GP: 50, G: 17, A: 22, P: 39, +/-: 20, H: 210
S34 LAP: GP: 50, G: 12, A: 25, P: 37, +/-: -2, H: 131
S35 LAP: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 22, P: 32, +/-: -3, H: 115
S36 LAP: GP: 50, G: 11, A: 20, P: 31, +/-: 10, H: 138
S37 LAP: GP: 36, G: 9, A: 17, P: 26, +/-: -1, H: 72
S37 WKP: GP: 14, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -4, H: 19
TOT : GP: 650, G: 153, A: 222, P: 375, +/-: 20, H: 1545
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S25 LAP: DNQ
S26 LAP: DNQ
S27 LAP: DNQ
S28 LAP: DNQ
S29 LAP: DNQ
S30 LAP: DNQ
S31 LAP: DNQ
S32 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -2, H: 15
S33 LAP: GP: 12, G: 2, A: 3, P: 5, +/-: 0, H: 38
S34 LAP: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: 3, H: 23
S35 LAP: GP: 5, G: 1, A: 1, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 4
S36 LAP: DNQ
S37 WKP: GP: 12, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -2, H: 35
TOT : GP: 41, G: 5, A: 12, P: 17, +/-: -5, H: 115
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TATU MÄKELÄ | D | RETIRED
NAME: Tatu Mäkelä
BIRTHPLACE: Tampere, Finland
HEIGHT: 5'11"
WEIGHT: 180 lbs
NUMBER: 65
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SHL CAREER STATS
S40 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 17, P: 22, +/-: -28, H: 14, SB: 86
S41 BUF: GP: 50, G: 10, A: 21, P: 31, +/-: -3, H: 9, SB: 78
S42 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: 2, H: 13, SB: 65
S43 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 24, P: 30, +/-: 1, H: 8, SB: 51
S44 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 28, P: 34, +/-: -6, H: 10, SB: 63
S45 BUF: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 37, P: 41, +/-: 10, H: 130, SB: 71
S46 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 36, P: 42, +/-: 25, H: 139, SB: 73
S47 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 23, P: 28, +/-: -4, H: 137, SB: 76
S48 BUF: GP: 50, G: 7, A: 25, P: 32, +/-: 9, H: 151, SB: 70
S49 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 22, P: 28, +/-: 5, H: 159, SB: 66
S50 BUF: GP: 50, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 152, SB: 72
S51 BUF: GP: 50, G: 3, A: 23, P: 26, +/-: 8, H: 143, SB: 50
S52 BUF: GP: 50, G: 9, A: 21, P: 30, +/-: -3, H: 141, SB: 71
S53 BUF: GP: 50, G: 5, A: 14, P: 19, +/-: 23, H: 50, SB: 98
TOT : GP: 700, G: 87, A: 332, P: 419, +/-: 53, H: 1256, SB: 990
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SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S40 BUF: DNQ
S41 BUF: GP: 7, G: 3, A: 2, P: 5, +/-: -3, H: 0, SB: 10
S42 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -9, H: 2, SB: 10
S43 BUF: GP: 9, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -1, H: 1, SB: 8
S44 BUF: DNQ
S45 BUF: DNQ
S46 BUF: GP: 17, G: 0, A: 12, P: 12, +/-: 11, H: 59, SB: 28
S47 BUF: GP: 13, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 2, H: 32, SB: 18
S48 BUF: GP: 22, G: 2, A: 10, P: 12, +/-: 2, H: 64, SB: 32
S49 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: 5, H: 15, SB: 8
S50 BUF: GP: 6, G: 0, A: 5, P: 5, +/-: -2, H: 18, SB: 12
S51 BUF: GP: 8, G: 2, A: 5, P: 7, +/-: -3, H: 15, SB: 11
S52 BUF: GP: 15, G: 4, A: 5, P: 9, +/-: 4, H: 47, SB: 26
S53 BUF: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 6, SB: 13
TOT : GP: 111, G: 11, A: 55, P: 66, +/-: 6, H: 159, SB: 176
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KOLJA KEKKONEN | D | RETIRED
NAME: Kolja Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lappeenranta, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'3"
WEIGHT: 225 lbs
NUMBER: 8
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S53 DET: GP: 3, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -1, H: 2, SB: 0
S54 DET: GP: 50, G: 2, A: 8, P: 10, +/-: -6, H: 15, SB: 37
S55 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 12, P: 16, +/-: -24, H: 32, SB: 24
S56 DET: GP: 50, G: 4, A: 17, P: 21, +/-: -20, H: 52, SB: 71
S57 ANA: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 20, P: 26, +/-: 14, H: 52, SB: 70
TOT : GP: 219, G: 16, A: 58, P: 74, +/-: -37, H: 153, SB: 202
SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S53 DET: DNP
S54 DET: GP: 7, G: 0, A: 0, P: 0, +/-: 0, H: 2, SB: 3
S55 DET: GP: 4, G: 0, A: 1, P: 1, +/-: -2, H: 3, SB: 0
S56 DET: GP: 5, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: 0, H: 3, SB: 7
S57 ANA: GP: 21, G: 2, A: 13, P: 15, +/-: 5, H: 13, SB: 34
TOT : GP: 37, G: 4, A: 16, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 22, SB: 44
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KEKW KEKKONEN | C | RETIRED
NAME: Karl-Erik-Karl2-Wojtek Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: Lohja, Finland
HEIGHT: 6'4"
WEIGHT: 220 lbs
NUMBER: 69
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SHL CAREER STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 66, G: 10, A: 28, P: 38, +/-: 21, H: 59, SH: 134
S62 BUF: GP: 66, G: 19, A: 36, P: 55, +/-: 9, H: 84, SH: 194
S63 BUF: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 14, P: 31, +/-: -13, H: 91, SH: 148
S64 BUF: GP: 66, G: 16, A: 51, P: 67, +/-: 36, H: 82, SH: 212
S65 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 41, P: 66, +/-: 33, H: 136, SH: 230
S66 BUF: GP: 66, G: 38, A: 43, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 64, SH: 222
S67 BUF: GP: 66, G: 40, A: 45, P: 85, +/-: -6, H: 76, SH: 224
S68 BUF: GP: 66, G: 47, A: 46, P: 93, +/-: 45, H: 51, SH: 326
S69 BUF: GP: 66, G: 35, A: 31, P: 66, +/-: 22, H: 43, SH: 269
S70 BUF: GP: 66, G: 33, A: 48, P: 81, +/-: 18, H: 66, SH: 297
S71 BUF: GP: 66, G: 36, A: 41, P: 77, +/-: 37, H: 55, SH: 257
S72 BUF: GP: 66, G: 25, A: 35, P: 60, +/-: -1, H: 58, SH: 281
S73 BUF: GP: 66, G: 31, A: 41, P: 72, +/-: 23, H: 48, SH: 305
S74 BUF/WPG: GP: 66, G: 17, A: 47, P: 64, +/-: 33, H: 101, SH: 164
TOT : GP: 924, G: 389, A: 547, P: 936, +/-: 275, H: 1014, SH: 3263
SHL PLAYOFF STATS
S61 BUF: GP: 9, G: 2, A: 6, P: 8, +/-: 4, H: 11, SH: 24
S62 BUF: GP: 9, G: 3, A: 1, P: 4, +/-: 2, H: 5, SH: 25
S63 BUF: GP: 12, G: 1, A: 2, P: 3, +/-: -1, H: 32, SH: 33
S64 BUF: GP: 11, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -6, H: 12, SH: 41
S65 BUF: GP: 18, G: 4, A: 7, P: 11, +/-: 8, H: 34, SH: 62
S66 BUF: GP: 16, G: 11, A: 9, P: 20, +/-: 3, H: 13, SH: 49
S67 BUF: GP: 4, G: 2, A: 2, P: 4, +/-: -3, H: 3, SH: 20
S68 BUF: GP: 17, G: 6, A: 8, P: 14, +/-: -4, H: 11, SH: 75
S69 BUF: GP: 4, G: 1, A: 0, P: 1, +/-: -5, H: 2, SH: 13
S70 BUF: GP: 7, G: 1, A: 3, P: 4, +/-: -8, H: 2, SH: 25
S71 BUF: GP: 21, G: 12, A: 9, P: 21, +/-: 6, H: 24, SH: 97
S72 BUF: GP: 5, G: 0, A: 2, P: 2, +/-: -4, H: 7, SH: 25
S73 BUF: GP: 6, G: 3, A: 0, P: 3, +/-: -3, H: 11, SH: 33
S74 WPG: GP: 22, G: 3, A: 4, P: 7, +/-: -2, H: 15, SH: 37
TOT : GP: 161, G: 51, A: 55, P: 106, +/-: -11, H: 182, SH: 559
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KAL ÅKAR KEKKONEN | D | DETROIT FALCONS
NAME: Kal Åkar Kekkonen
BIRTHPLACE: The Wilderness, Gielinor
HEIGHT: 6'6"
WEIGHT: 240 lbs
NUMBER: 75
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SMJHL CAREER STATS
S74 DET: GP: 66, G: 6, A: 14, P: 20, +/-: 3, SH: 83, H: 76, SB: 29
S75 DET: GP: 66, G: 8, A: 22, P: 30, +/-: 31, SH: 129, H: 123, SB: 114

SMJHL PLAYOFF STATS
S74 DET: GP: 17, G: 3, A: 7, P: 10, +/-: 8, SH: 18, H: 16, SB: 5
S75 DET: GP: 14, G: 5, A: 6, P: 11, +/-: 2, SH: 40, H: 26, SB: 27
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EDIT: Looks like WBF and Tommy already addressed this



Minnesota may actually have a pretty good defense for their case here: http://theshl.b1.jcink.com/index.php?s=1...t&p=703872

Alright so there were some good points in the thread yesterday that not a lot of people understand where the line is when it comes to tampering. The rule as I plan to interpret it, is when a player or GM from another team seeks another member outside of the SHL public forums with the intent of asking them to try to join their team. (so this would include pms, other websites, messengers etc.)

The reason I say outside of the public forum, is because what do you actually gain by posting something about wanting someone to join your team in a place where everyone can see, what advantage does it give you? There's a big difference between something you are willing to say in front of everyone and something you say outside of the league's eye. What the league doesn't want is people behind closed doors colluding together or trying to gain players in a way that is against the rules.

If you guys take it too far and outside of the realm of fun, we'll have to take it in a stricter sense but I hope that's not the case. Please everyone take tampering seriously, because I know a lot of people were like well everyone does it, hopefully letting people know they can say things in the public forum is totally acceptable hopefully that will eliminate all the "back room" tampering that occurs in the league. Which is what we really want to get rid of.

That final like right there makes this actually seem pretty cut and dry.

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

been a minute since we've seen a classic shitstorm thread

Brandon Donini | #13 | LW | Anaheim Outlaws GM | SHL HOF

Career Achievements:

Won WJC silver medal with Team World (S10)

Won WJC gold medal with Team World (S11)

Assistant captain of the Winnipeg Jets (S14)

Won IIHF gold medal with Team Germany (S15)

Assistant captain of the Los Angeles Panthers (S16-S21)

SHL 3rd team all star (S16)

2x Jeff Dar Trophy Winner (S15, S16)

Challenge Cup Champion (S17)

Inducted to the SHL Hall of Fame (S25)

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Career Regular Season Stats:

SHL | GP: 656 | G: 200 | A: 262 | PTS: 462 | Hits: 2330

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Career Transactions:

Drafted 2nd overall by the Detroit Falcons (SMJHL S10)

Drafted 3rd overall by the Winnipeg Jets (SHL S11)

Traded to the Los Angeles Panthers (S15)

Traded to the New England Wolfpack (S21)

Traded to the Hamilton Steelhawks (S23)

Retired after 13 seasons in the SHL (S23)

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Management Career:

Named GM of Team World WJC (S11)

Named GM of Team Germany IIHF (S12)

Co-GM of the Kelowna Knights (S12-S17)

SMJHL Co-GM of the year (S13)

Named GM of Team Canada WJC (S46, S47)

Won WJC Bronze Medal with Team Canada (S46)

Won WJC Gold Medal with Team Canada (S47)

Co-GM of the Anaheim Outlaws (S49-S51)

GM of the Anaheim Outlaws (S52-present)

Four Star Cup Champion (S52)

Four Star Cup Finalist (S54)

[pb]Four Star Cup Champion (GM S52)

Lallo Selman | #11 | LW | "A" | Chicago Syndicate | 2030 TPE
Career Achievements:
Won WJC Bronze Medal with Team Canada (S46)
Won WJC Gold Medal with Team Canada (S47)
Four Star Cup Champion (S47)
Captain of the Anaheim Outlaws (S48)
Won WJC Silver Medal with Team DACH (S48)
Won WJC Gold Medal with Team DACH (S49)
Captain of Team Switzerland (S50-Present)
Nominated for the Ryan Jesster Trophy (S50)
Won IIHF Silver Medal with Team Switzerland (S51)

Alternate Captain of the Chicago Syndicate (S52-present)
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Career Regular Season Stats:
SMJHL | Anaheim Outlaws | GP: 198 | G: 53 | A: 59 | PTS: 112 
S50 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 21 | A: 17 | PTS: 38
S51 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 12 | A: 30 | PTS: 42

S52 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 13 | A: 29 | PTS: 42

S53 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 16 | A: 24 | PTS: 40

S54 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 26 | A: 35 | PTS: 61

S55 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 50 | G: 24 | A: 35 | PTS: 59
Career Playoff Stats:

SMJHL | Anaheim Outlaws | GP: 48 | G: 17 | A: 15 | PTS: 32

[pb] S50 | Chicago Syndicate | N/A[/pbl]
S51 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 7 | G: 2 | A: 4 | PTS: 6

S52 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 7 | G: 4 | A: 3 | PTS: 7

S53 | Chicago Syndicate | N/A

S54 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 6 | G: 1 | A: 3 | PTS: 4

S55 | Chicago Syndicate | GP: 5 | G: 2 | A: 2 | PTS: 4
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Career Transactions:
Signed with the Anaheim Outlaws as an undrafted FA (SMJHL S46)
Drafted 18th overall by the Buffalo Stampede (SHL S47)
Traded to the Chicago Syndicate for an S49 1st & S50 2nd (S49)

Signed 3 season extension with the Chicago Syndicate (S52)

Signed 2 season extension with the Chicago Syndicate (S55)

8^)

8^)

Ben Waters Jr. || LW || Edmonton Blizzard || 312 TPE
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225 lbs
Birthplace: Montreal, Canada

Transactions
S64: Drafted by Kelowna Knights with the 24th overall pick in S64 SMJHL Entry Draft

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https://simulationhockey.com/showthread.php?tid=130731

Lol

EDIT: Looks like WBF and Tommy already addressed this



Minnesota may actually have a pretty good defense for their case here: http://theshl.b1.jcink.com/index.php?s=1...t&p=703872

Alright so there were some good points in the thread yesterday that not a lot of people understand where the line is when it comes to tampering. The rule as I plan to interpret it, is when a player or GM from another team seeks another member outside of the SHL public forums with the intent of asking them to try to join their team. (so this would include pms, other websites, messengers etc.)

The reason I say outside of the public forum, is because what do you actually gain by posting something about wanting someone to join your team in a place where everyone can see, what advantage does it give you? There's a big difference between something you are willing to say in front of everyone and something you say outside of the league's eye. What the league doesn't want is people behind closed doors colluding together or trying to gain players in a way that is against the rules.

If you guys take it too far and outside of the realm of fun, we'll have to take it in a stricter sense but I hope that's not the case. Please everyone take tampering seriously, because I know a lot of people were like well everyone does it, hopefully letting people know they can say things in the public forum is totally acceptable hopefully that will eliminate all the "back room" tampering that occurs in the league. Which is what we really want to get rid of.

That final like right there makes this actually seem pretty cut and dry.

Mephistopheles Morgonstjärna | Right Defense | Detroit Falcons
Birthplace: Leipzig, Germany
Height: 6'3"
Weight: 235 lbs
Number: 66


RETIRED

Hippo Passamus | Center/Wing | Buffalo Stampede
Birthplace: Borås, Sweden
Height: 5'6"
Weight: 290 lbs
Number: 6
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Career Statistics:
SHL Regular Season:
BUF | S46 | 50 GP | 13 G | 12 A | 25 P | +21 |   0 PIM | 9 H
BUF | S47 | 50 GP | 9 G   | 21 A | 30 P | +0   |  5 PIM | 2 H
BUF | S48 | 50 GP | 12 G | 14 A | 26 P | +11 |   5 PIM | 7 H
BUF | S49 | 50 GP | 22 G | 22 A | 44 P | +4   | 34 PIM | 192 H
BUF | S50 | 50 GP | 17 G | 24 A | 41 P | +11 | 58 PIM | 203 H
BUF | S51 | 50 GP | 18 G | 27 A | 45 P | +16 | 42 PIM | 157 H
BUF | S52 | 50 GP | 15 G | 25 A | 40 P | +0   | 61 PIM | 187 H
BUF | S53 | 50 GP | 23 G | 33 A | 56 P | +25 | 14 PIM | 117 H
BUF | S54 | 50 GP | 25 G | 29 A | 54 P | +42 | 6 PIM  | 129 H
BUF | S55 | 50 GP | 25 G | 31 A | 56 P | +48 | 2 PIM  | 141 H
BUF | S56 | 50 GP | 22 G | 36 A | 58 P | +25 | 14 PIM | 121 H
BUF | S57 | 66 GP | 24 G | 36 A | 60 P | +26 | 4 PIM  | 157 H
BUF | S58 | 66 GP | 21 G | 32 A | 53 P | +38 | 16 PIM | 127 H
BUF | S59 | 66 GP | 16 G | 32 A | 48 P | +18 | 14 PIM | 81 H
BUF | TOT | 748 GP | 262 G | 374 A | 636 P | +288 | 276 PIM | 1630 H
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SHL Playoffs:
BUF | S46 | 17 GP | 5 G   | 4 A   | 9 P   | +10 | 0 PIM | 14 H
BUF | S47 | 13 GP | 3 G   | 2 A   | 5 P   | -3    | 0 PIM | 10 H
BUF | S48 | 22 GP | 12 G | 18 A | 30 P | +11  | 0 PIM | 0 H
BUF | S49 | 5 GP   | 2 G   | 3 A   | 5 P  | +0    | 4 PIM | 15 H
BUF | S50 | 6 GP   | 2 G   | 2 A   | 4 P  | +3    | 2 PIM | 20 H
BUF | S51 | 8 GP   | 2 G   | 2 A   | 4 P  | -9     | 4 PIM | 27 H
BUF | S52 | 15 GP | 5 G   | 9 A   | 14 P| +1     | 23 PIM | 50 H
BUF | S53 | 4 GP   | 1 G   | 1 A   | 2 P  | -7     | 0 PIM | 12 H
BUF | S54 | 13 GP | 6 G   | 7 A   | 13 P  | +5    | 4 PIM | 34 H
BUF | S55 | 17 GP  | 3 G   | 7 A   | 10 P  | +10 | 0 PIM | 44 H
BUF | S56 | 23 GP  | 8 G   | 9 A   | 17 P  | +12 | 4 PIM | 66 H
BUF | S57 | 17 GP  | 8 G   | 3 A   | 11 P  | +5   | 0 PIM | 17 H
BUF | S58 | 21 GP  | 4 G   | 9 A   | 13 P  | +6   | 4 PIM | 44 H
BUF | S59 | 19 GP  | 7 G   | 10 A   | 17 P  | +16   | 4 PIM | 40 H
BUF | TOT | 200 GP | 68 G | 86 A | 154 P | +51 | 59 PIM | 403 H
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SMJHL Regular Season:
DET | S42-45 | 200 GP | 54 G | 77 A | 131 P | +38 | 92 PIM | 228 H
SMJHL Playoffs:
DET | S42-45 | 43 GP | 17 G | 25 A | 42 P | +8 | 14 PIM | 44 H


Career Achivements:
S44 Ideen Fallah Trophy Nomination
S44 Brandon Holmes Trophy
S45 Ronan O'Keefe Trophy
S45 Brodie Witzel Trophy
S45 Vyacheslav Onoprienko Trophy Nomination
S46 Challenge Cup Champion
S48 Challenge Cup Champion
S48 Anton Razov Trophy Nomination
S51 Jeff Darr Trophy Nomination
S55 Jeff Darr Trophy Nomination

You’re quoting a rulebook adjustment from 2013. Since then the rule has been adjusted further, to keep public tampering “within reason”. Malicious, targeted tampering is not within reason.

The rulebook as it is currently written:

Tampering is defined as approaching a player under contract with another team outside of the public forums, with the purpose of persuading them to join your team
This includes any private discussion involving leaving the team with whom the player is under contract with the purpose of joining the offender’s team
Public comments are allowed within reason. For example, no member may offer or discuss a contract to a player currently under contract with another team either in public or in private.
See this thread for clarification

My quote is from the "see this thread for clarification". The rulebook as it is currently written interprets this situation and comes to the conclusion that this is not tampering, but that the rule should be changed as a result of Daco taking it too far.

The rule should be changed imo and Minnesota should not be punished.

Tony Pepperoni || C || Edmonton Blizzard || 2072 Max TPE
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Regular Season
S45 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 13 || A: 10 || P: 23 || +/-: +13
S46 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 17 || A: 22 || P: 39 || +/-: -6
S47 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 20 || A: 21 || P: 41 || +/-: +8
S48 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 18 || A: 19 || P: 37 || +/-: -6
S49 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 30 || P: 55 || +/-: -1
S50 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 16 || A: 29 || P: 45 || +/-: +3
S51 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 41 || P: 66 || +/-: +23
S52 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 17 || A: 22 || P: 39 || +/-: -5
S53 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 24 || A: 33 || P: 57 || +/-: +24
S54 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 27 || A: 47 || P: 74 || +/-: +8
S55 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 44 || P: 69 || +/-: +30
S56 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 18 || A: 32 || P: 50 || +/-: +14
S57 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 30 || A: 48 || P: 78 || +/-: +36
S58 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 37 || A: 34 || P: 71 || +/-: +39
S59 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 27 || A: 33 || P: 60 || +/-: +17
S60 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 32 || A: 24 || P: 56 || +/-: +13
S61 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 18 || A: 46 || P: 64 || +/-: +8
S62 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 26 || A: 25 || P: 51 || +/-: -6
S63 || BAP || GP: 66 || G: 09 || A: 29 || P: 38 || +/-: +55
S64 || BAP || GP: 66 || G: 15 || A: 18 || P: 33 || +/-: +33
CAR || GP: 1,128 || G: 439 || A: 607 || P: 1,046 || +/-: +298
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Playoffs:
S45 || EDM || GP: 18 || G: 01 || A: 00 || P: 01 || +/-: 0
S46 || EDM || GP: 04 || G: 02 || A: 00 || P: 02 || +/-: 0
S47 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 02 || A: 03 || P: 05 || +/-: +2
S48 || EDM || GP: 05 || G: 01 || A: 01 || P: 02 || +/-: -5
S49 || EDM || GP: 23 || G: 06 || A: 14 || P: 20 || +/-: +4
S50 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 02 || A: 04 || P: 06 || +/-: 0
S51 || EDM || GP: 16 || G: 12 || A: 09 || P: 21 || +/-: +5
S52 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -5
S53 || EDM || GP: 17 || G: 05 || A: 15 || P: 20 || +/-: +4
S54 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 01 || A: 02 || P: 03 || +/-: 0
S55 || EDM || GP: 11 || G: 00 || A: 09 || P: 09 || +/-: -2
S56 || EDM || GP: 19 || G: 05 || A: 12 || P: 17 || +/-: -2
S57 || EDM || GP: 07 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -2
S58 || EDM || GP: 12 || G: 03 || A: 06 || P: 09 || +/-: -4
S59 || EDM || GP: 10 || G: 09 || A: 08 || P: 17 || +/-: +10
S60 || EDM || GP: 10 || G: 06 || A: 02 || P: 08 || +/-: -1
S61 || EDM || GP: 14 || G: 03 || A: 06 || P: 09 || +/-: -2
S62 || EDM || GP: 04 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -2
S63 || BAP || GP: 17 || G: 01 || A: 06 || P: 07 || +/-: +4
S64 || BAP || GP: 11 || G: 02 || A: 06 || P: 08 || +/-: +4
CAR || GP: 222 || G: 61 || A: 109 || P: 170 || +/-: +6
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Transactions:
S43: Drafted 25th Overall by Edmonton Blizzard
S43: Signed to a 3 season $3 million contract
S45: Called up to the SHL
S45: Signed 3 season $9 million extension
S49: Signed 13 season $52 million extension
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Team Awards:
S45: Challenge Cup Champions (EDM)
S49: Challenge Cup Champions (EDM)
S49: IIHF Gold Medal Winner (GER)
S50: IIHF Silver Medal Winner (GER)
S51: Western Conference Champions (EDM)
S53: Western Conference Champions (EDM)
S57: IIHF Bronze Medal Winner (GER)
S58: IIHF Bronze Medal Winner (GER)
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Personal Awards/Nominations:
S49: 1st Team All-Star
S51: 1st Team All-Star (Unanimous)
S51: Sarmad Khan Trophy Winner
S51: Ron Mexico Trophy Winner
S51: Sergei Karpotsov Trophy Winner
S51: Joe McKeil Trophy Winner
S51: Jeff Dar Trophy Nominee
S51: Anton Razov Trophy Nominee
S52: IIHF Leading Scorer
S53: 2nd Team All-Star
S53: Anton Razov Trophy Nominee
S54: 1st Team All-Star
S54: Ron Mexico Trophy Nominee
S55: 2nd Team All-Star
S55: Jeff Dar Trophy Nominee
S55: Joe McKeil Trophy Winner
S57: 3rd Team All-Star
S59: IIHF Top-Forward Finalist



Tony Pepperoni || LW/C || Colorado Raptors || 350 TPE
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SMJHL Stats:
S42 || COL || GP: 50 || G: 15 || A: 17 || P: 32 || +/-: +13
S43 || COL || GP: 50 || G: 10 || A: 19 || P: 29 || +/-: -5
S44 || COL || GP: 38 || G: 11 || A: 21 || P: 32 || +/-: +5
S44 || DET || GP: 12 || G: 08 || A: 03 || P: 11 || +/-: +7
CAR || GP: 150 || G: 44 || A: 60 || P: 104 || +/-: +20
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Playoff Stats:
S42 COL || GP: 4 || G: 0 || A: 1 || P: 1 || +/-: -1
S43 COL || GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -4
S44 DET || GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -2
CAR || GP: 18 || G: 2 || A: 3 || P: 5 || +/-: -7
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S42: Drafted 33rd overall in S42 SMJHL Draft to Colorado
S42: Vyacheslav Onoprienko Trophy Winner
S44: Named Captain of Colorado Raptors
S44: Traded from COL to DET

EDM All-Time Leader in Goals, Assists and Points

EDIT: Looks like WBF and Tommy already addressed this



Minnesota may actually have a pretty good defense for their case here: http://theshl.b1.jcink.com/index.php?s=1...t&p=703872

Alright so there were some good points in the thread yesterday that not a lot of people understand where the line is when it comes to tampering. The rule as I plan to interpret it, is when a player or GM from another team seeks another member outside of the SHL public forums with the intent of asking them to try to join their team. (so this would include pms, other websites, messengers etc.)

The reason I say outside of the public forum, is because what do you actually gain by posting something about wanting someone to join your team in a place where everyone can see, what advantage does it give you? There's a big difference between something you are willing to say in front of everyone and something you say outside of the league's eye. What the league doesn't want is people behind closed doors colluding together or trying to gain players in a way that is against the rules.

If you guys take it too far and outside of the realm of fun, we'll have to take it in a stricter sense but I hope that's not the case. Please everyone take tampering seriously, because I know a lot of people were like well everyone does it, hopefully letting people know they can say things in the public forum is totally acceptable hopefully that will eliminate all the "back room" tampering that occurs in the league. Which is what we really want to get rid of.

That final like right there makes this actually seem pretty cut and dry.

That is in the current rulebook

Tony Pepperoni || C || Edmonton Blizzard || 2072 Max TPE
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Regular Season
S45 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 13 || A: 10 || P: 23 || +/-: +13
S46 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 17 || A: 22 || P: 39 || +/-: -6
S47 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 20 || A: 21 || P: 41 || +/-: +8
S48 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 18 || A: 19 || P: 37 || +/-: -6
S49 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 30 || P: 55 || +/-: -1
S50 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 16 || A: 29 || P: 45 || +/-: +3
S51 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 41 || P: 66 || +/-: +23
S52 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 17 || A: 22 || P: 39 || +/-: -5
S53 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 24 || A: 33 || P: 57 || +/-: +24
S54 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 27 || A: 47 || P: 74 || +/-: +8
S55 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 25 || A: 44 || P: 69 || +/-: +30
S56 || EDM || GP: 50 || G: 18 || A: 32 || P: 50 || +/-: +14
S57 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 30 || A: 48 || P: 78 || +/-: +36
S58 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 37 || A: 34 || P: 71 || +/-: +39
S59 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 27 || A: 33 || P: 60 || +/-: +17
S60 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 32 || A: 24 || P: 56 || +/-: +13
S61 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 18 || A: 46 || P: 64 || +/-: +8
S62 || EDM || GP: 66 || G: 26 || A: 25 || P: 51 || +/-: -6
S63 || BAP || GP: 66 || G: 09 || A: 29 || P: 38 || +/-: +55
S64 || BAP || GP: 66 || G: 15 || A: 18 || P: 33 || +/-: +33
CAR || GP: 1,128 || G: 439 || A: 607 || P: 1,046 || +/-: +298
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Playoffs:
S45 || EDM || GP: 18 || G: 01 || A: 00 || P: 01 || +/-: 0
S46 || EDM || GP: 04 || G: 02 || A: 00 || P: 02 || +/-: 0
S47 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 02 || A: 03 || P: 05 || +/-: +2
S48 || EDM || GP: 05 || G: 01 || A: 01 || P: 02 || +/-: -5
S49 || EDM || GP: 23 || G: 06 || A: 14 || P: 20 || +/-: +4
S50 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 02 || A: 04 || P: 06 || +/-: 0
S51 || EDM || GP: 16 || G: 12 || A: 09 || P: 21 || +/-: +5
S52 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -5
S53 || EDM || GP: 17 || G: 05 || A: 15 || P: 20 || +/-: +4
S54 || EDM || GP: 06 || G: 01 || A: 02 || P: 03 || +/-: 0
S55 || EDM || GP: 11 || G: 00 || A: 09 || P: 09 || +/-: -2
S56 || EDM || GP: 19 || G: 05 || A: 12 || P: 17 || +/-: -2
S57 || EDM || GP: 07 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -2
S58 || EDM || GP: 12 || G: 03 || A: 06 || P: 09 || +/-: -4
S59 || EDM || GP: 10 || G: 09 || A: 08 || P: 17 || +/-: +10
S60 || EDM || GP: 10 || G: 06 || A: 02 || P: 08 || +/-: -1
S61 || EDM || GP: 14 || G: 03 || A: 06 || P: 09 || +/-: -2
S62 || EDM || GP: 04 || G: 00 || A: 02 || P: 02 || +/-: -2
S63 || BAP || GP: 17 || G: 01 || A: 06 || P: 07 || +/-: +4
S64 || BAP || GP: 11 || G: 02 || A: 06 || P: 08 || +/-: +4
CAR || GP: 222 || G: 61 || A: 109 || P: 170 || +/-: +6
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Transactions:
S43: Drafted 25th Overall by Edmonton Blizzard
S43: Signed to a 3 season $3 million contract
S45: Called up to the SHL
S45: Signed 3 season $9 million extension
S49: Signed 13 season $52 million extension
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Team Awards:
S45: Challenge Cup Champions (EDM)
S49: Challenge Cup Champions (EDM)
S49: IIHF Gold Medal Winner (GER)
S50: IIHF Silver Medal Winner (GER)
S51: Western Conference Champions (EDM)
S53: Western Conference Champions (EDM)
S57: IIHF Bronze Medal Winner (GER)
S58: IIHF Bronze Medal Winner (GER)
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Personal Awards/Nominations:
S49: 1st Team All-Star
S51: 1st Team All-Star (Unanimous)
S51: Sarmad Khan Trophy Winner
S51: Ron Mexico Trophy Winner
S51: Sergei Karpotsov Trophy Winner
S51: Joe McKeil Trophy Winner
S51: Jeff Dar Trophy Nominee
S51: Anton Razov Trophy Nominee
S52: IIHF Leading Scorer
S53: 2nd Team All-Star
S53: Anton Razov Trophy Nominee
S54: 1st Team All-Star
S54: Ron Mexico Trophy Nominee
S55: 2nd Team All-Star
S55: Jeff Dar Trophy Nominee
S55: Joe McKeil Trophy Winner
S57: 3rd Team All-Star
S59: IIHF Top-Forward Finalist



Tony Pepperoni || LW/C || Colorado Raptors || 350 TPE
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SMJHL Stats:
S42 || COL || GP: 50 || G: 15 || A: 17 || P: 32 || +/-: +13
S43 || COL || GP: 50 || G: 10 || A: 19 || P: 29 || +/-: -5
S44 || COL || GP: 38 || G: 11 || A: 21 || P: 32 || +/-: +5
S44 || DET || GP: 12 || G: 08 || A: 03 || P: 11 || +/-: +7
CAR || GP: 150 || G: 44 || A: 60 || P: 104 || +/-: +20
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Playoff Stats:
S42 COL || GP: 4 || G: 0 || A: 1 || P: 1 || +/-: -1
S43 COL || GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -4
S44 DET || GP: 7 || G: 1 || A: 1 || P: 2 || +/-: -2
CAR || GP: 18 || G: 2 || A: 3 || P: 5 || +/-: -7
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S42: Drafted 33rd overall in S42 SMJHL Draft to Colorado
S42: Vyacheslav Onoprienko Trophy Winner
S44: Named Captain of Colorado Raptors
S44: Traded from COL to DET

EDM All-Time Leader in Goals, Assists and Points

it not being covered in the rulebook is addressed in the OP of this thread

you can argue their interpretation (not sure why you would, the offense literally targeted one team and openly discussed what they would be able to provide over that one team), but you can't argue HO's ability to enforce in this situation.

I think a clearer ruleset regarding this kind of situation should be written. However, the rules were still broken and the punishment for tampering is known and clear.

Ben Waters Jr. || LW || Edmonton Blizzard || 312 TPE
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 225 lbs
Birthplace: Montreal, Canada

Transactions
S64: Drafted by Kelowna Knights with the 24th overall pick in S64 SMJHL Entry Draft

Stats

Awards




Player Page
Update Page

EDIT: Looks like WBF and Tommy already addressed this

Cal Juice
Tomas Zadina
Brady McIntyre

You thought you'd be picked in round 1?

I’m expecting to dropped to 14th again tbh

Miss you babe

14th is the spot all good washed up members get picked at

And I miss you too, good to see you back <3

Yngve "Oskar" Simonsson || Left Wing || Seattle Argonauts ||
Name: Yngve Simonsson (aka. Oskar Simonsson)
Age: 20
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 180
Birthplace: Luleå, Sweden
Number: 26
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SHL Regular Season Stats:
S58 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 25 | A: 22 | P: 47 | +/-: -42 | PIMS: 21 | Shots: 170
S59 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 13 | A: 23 | P: 36 | +/-: -22 | PIMS: 20 | Shots: 150
S60 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 9 | A: 20 | P: 29 | +/-: -34 | PIMS: 22 | Shots: 158
S61 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 21 | A: 31 | P: 52 | +/-: +22 | PIMS: 14 | Shots: 188
S62 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 15 | A: 28 | P: 43 | +/-: -17 | PIMS: 8 | Shots: 182
S63 | SFP | GP: 66 | G: 24 | A: 19 | P: 43 | +/-: -1 | PIMS: 14 | Shots: 193
S64 | SFP | GP: 47 | G: 9 | A: 25 | P: 34 | +/-: +14 | PIMS: 14 | Shots: 97
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SHL Playoffs Stats:
S58 | SFP | GP: 7 | G: 2 | A: 2 | P: 4 | +/-: -7 | PIMS: 0 | Shots: 20
S59 | SFP | GP: 6 | G: 2 | A: 1 | P: 3 | +/-: +1 | PIMS: 0 | Shots: 14
S60 | SFP | GP: 5 | G: 1 | A: 0 | P: 1 | +/-: -4 | PIMS: 2 | Shots: 7
S61 | SFP | GP: 4 | G: 2 | A: 0 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | PIMS: 2 | Shots: 13
S62 | SFP | GP: 6 | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | +/-: 0 | PIMS: 0 | Shots: 11
S63 | SFP | GP: 5 | G: 2 | A: 0 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | PIMS: 2 | Shots: 13
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SMJHL Regular Season Stats:
S55 | DET | GP: 50 | G: 6 | A: 10 | P: 16 | +/-: -9 | PIMS: 16 | Shots: 95
S56 | DET | GP: 50 | G: 12 | A: 21 | P: 33 | +/-: -4 | PIMS: 10 | Shots: 124
S57 | DET | GP: 66 | G: 27 | A: 26 | P: 53 | +/-: 9 | PIMS: 18 | Shots: 203
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SMJHL Playoffs Stats:
S55 | DET | GP: 4 | G: 0 | A: 0 | P: 0 | +/-: -5 | PIMS: 0 | Shots: 6
S56 | DET | GP: 5 | G: 1 | A: 0 | P: 1 | +/-: +1 | PIMS: 2 | Shots: 19
S57 | DET | GP: 4 | G: 2 | A: 0 | P: 2 | +/-: 0 | PIMS: 0 | Shots: 11
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WJC Stats
S54 | SWE | GP: 13 | G: 0 | A: 0 | P: 0 | PIMS: 0 | +/-: -11  | Shots: 7
S55 | SWE | GP: 14 | G: 0 | A: 3 | P: 3 | PIMS: 4 | +/-: 0 | Shots: 21
S56 | SWE | GP: 12 | G: 3 | A: 4 | P: 7 | PIMS: 4 | +/-: +1 | Shots: 20
S57 | SWE | GP: 12 | G: 5 | A: 5 | P: 10 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: +4 | Shots: 31
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IIHF Stats
S58 | SWE | GP: 13 | G: 0 | A: 3 | P: 3 | PIMS: 0 | +/-: -4 | Shots: 10
S59 | SWE | GP: 13 | G: 2 | A: 1 | P: 3 | PIMS: 0 | +/-: +5 | Shots: 10
S60 | SWE | GP: 12 | G: 0 | A: 5 | P: 5 | PIMS: 10 | +/-: +6 | Shots: 10
S62 | SWE | GP: 12 | G: 2 | A: 2 | P: 4 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: -2 | Shots: 23
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Transactions
S55 -- Drafted Round 1, 11th Overall by Detroit Falcons
S56 -- Drafted Round 1, 7th Overall by San Francisco Pride
Signed 3 year, $7,500,000 contract with San Francisco Pride
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Honors
S57 -- Named Detroit Falcons Alternate Captain
S57 -- SMJHL All-Star
S58 -- Named San Francisco Pride Alternate Captain
S58 -- Ryan Jesster (Rookie of the Year) Trophy Nominee
S58 -- Named to All-Rookie Team




Jean-Pierre Gay || Retired ||
Name: Jean-Pierre Gay
Age: 32
Height: 6'6"
Weight: 239 lbs
Birthplace: Wilcox, SASK, Canada
Number: 7
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SMJHL Regular Season Stats:
S43 | COL | GP: 45 | G: 1 | A: 18 | P: 19 | +/-: +11 | PIM: 40 | Hits: 48 | SB: 32
S44 | COL | GP: 50 | G: 6 | A: 12 | P: 18 | +/-: +2 | PIM: 89 | Hits: 107 | SB: 59
S45 | COL | GP: 50 | G: 4 | A: 18 | P: 22 | +/-: +13 | PIM: 63 | Hits: 113 | SB: 39
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SMJHL Playoff Stats:
S43 | COL | GP: 7 | G: 0 | A: 4 | P: 4 | +/-: +2 | PIM: 10 | Hits: 5 | SB: 13
S44 | COL | GP: 16 | G: 2 | A: 5 | P: 7 | +/-: +2 | PIM: 34 | Hits: 44 | SB: 18
S45 | COL | GP: 16 | G: 0 | A: 7 | P: 7 | +/-: +6 | PIM: 56 | Hits: 35 | SB: 21
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SHL Regular Season Stats:
S46 | HAM | GP: 46 | G: 2 | A: 4 | P: 6 | +/-: +10 | PIM: 61 | Hits: 125 | SB: 53
S47 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 0 | A: 8 | P: 8 | +/-: -3 | PIM: 48 | Hits: 84 | SB: 35
S48 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 0 | A: 6 | P: 6 | +/-: +3 | PIM: 31 | Hits: 65 | SB: 32
S49 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 8 | P: 9 | +/-: -8 | PIM: 48 | Hits: 82 | SB: 75
S50 | HAM | GP: 50 | G: 2 | A: 7 | P: 9 | +/-: +8 | PIM: 71 | Hits: 86 | SB: 56
S51 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 0 | A: 14 | P: 14 | +/-: -5 | PIM: 114 | Hits: 131 | SB: 57
S52 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 10 | P: 11 | +/-: -17 | PIM: 78 | Hits: 140 | SB: 62
S53 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | +/-: -14 | PIM: 28 | Hits: 52 | SB: 22
S54 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 1 | A: 9 | P: 10 | +/-: -2 | PIM: 26 | Hits: 84 | SB: 23
TOT | GP: 446 | G: 8 | A: 68 | P: 76 | +/-: -28 | PIMS: 505 | Hits: 849 | SB: 415 |
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SHL Playoff Stats:
S46 | HAM | GP: 12 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | +/-: -8 | PIM: 16 | Hits: 38 | SB: 11
S48 | HAM | GP: 5 | G: 0 | A: 0 | P: 0 | +/-: -2 | PIM: 2 | Hits: 6 | SB: 1
S50 | HAM | GP: 12 | G: 1 | A: 0 | P: 1 | +/-: +1 | PIM: 2 | Hits: 4 | SB: 7
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SHL Transactions:
S44: Drafted 14th Overall by Hamilton Steelhawks
S44: Signed 1 year 2 million dollar contract with Hamilton Steelhawks
S45: Signed 1 year 1 million dollar contract with Hamilton Steelhawks
S46: Signed 3 year 3 million dollar contract with Hamilton Steelhawks
S49: Signed 3 year 6 million dollar contract with Hamilton Steelhawks
S51: Traded to the Texas Renegades from the Hamilton Steelhawks
S52: Signed 2 year 4 million dollar contract with Texas Renegades
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SMJHL Transactions:
S43: Drafted 4th Overall by Colorado Raptors


Beau Bent || Retired ||
Name: Beau Bent
Position: Centre
Age: 46
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 205 lbs
Birthplace: Ottawa, Ontario
Number: 20
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SMJHL Regular Season Stats
S29 | KEL | GP: 50 | G: 6 | A: 3 | P: 9 | +/-: 2 | Shots: 54
S30 | KEL | GP: 50 | G: 21 | A: 33 | P: 54 | +/-: 11 | Shots: 172
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SMJHL Playoffs Stats
S29 | KEL | GP: 11 | G: 1 | A: 5 | P: 6 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 31
S30 | KEL | GP: 10 | G: 4 | A: 3 | P: 7 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 37
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SHL Regular Season Stats
S31 | POR | GP: 50 | G: 9 | A: 14 | P: 23 | +/-: -7 | Shots: 106
S32 | POR | GP: 50 | G: 10| A: 12 | P: 22 | +/-: -15 | Shots: 155
S33 | POR | GP: 7 | G: 3 | A: 0 | P: 3 | +/-: -10 | Shots: 8
S33 | TEX | GP: 43 | G: 5 | A: 5 | P: 10 | +/-: -6 | Shots: 37
S34 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 2 | P: 5 | +/-: -12 | Shots: 61
S35 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 2 | A: 8 | P: 10 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 42
S36 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 7 | A: 4 | P: 11 | +/-: -13 | Shots: 61
S38 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 17 | A: 17 | P: 34 | +/-: -3 | Shots: 164
S39 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 22 | A: 21 | P: 43 | +/-: +17 | Shots: 151
S40 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 17 | A: 17 | P: 34 | +/-: -2 | Shots: 158
S41 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 23 | A: 24 | P: 47 | +/-: +1 | Shots: 175
S42 | TEX | GP: 50 | G: 13 | A: 25 | P: 38 | +/-: +2 | Shots: 125
TOT | GP: 550 | G: 131 | A: 149 | P: 280 | +/-: -49 | Shots: 1,243
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NLA Regular Season Stats
S37 | DAV | GP: 50 | G: 16 | A: 13 | P: 29 | +/-: 3 | Shots: 142
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SHL Playoffs Stats
S34 | TEX | GP: 12 | G: 1 | A: 0 | P: 1 | +/-: 0 | Shots: 6
S35 | TEX | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | +/-: 2 | Shots: 7
S36 | TEX | GP: 16 | G: 2 | A: 3 | P: 5 | +/-: 1 | Shots: 21
S40 | TEX | GP: 5 | G: 0 | A: 1 | P: 1 | +/-: -3 | Shots: 21
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Transactions
SMJHL: Undrafted
Signed: Kelowna Knights $2,000,000 (S29)
SHL: Undrafted
Signed: Signed as Undrafted Free Agent by Portland Admirals
Traded: Traded to the Texas Renegades (S33)
Released and Loaned by Texas Renegades to HC Davos (S37)
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SHL Accomplishments:
Named to SHL All-Rookie Team (S31)
Named Portland Admirals Captain (S32)
Won Challenge Cup With Texas (S36)


Matthew Buchesner || Retired ||
Name: Matthew Buchesner
Position: Defense
Age: 63
Height: 6'2"
Weight: 216 lbs
Birthplace: Sacramento, California
Number: 55
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SMJHL Regular Season Stats
S12 | CHI | GP: 39 | G: 4 | A: 16 | P: 20 | PIMS: 34 | +/-: 3 | Hits: 62 | SB: 40 |
S13 | VAN | GP: 7 | G: 1 | A: 3 | P: 4 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: -8 | Hits: 13 | SB: 8
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SMJHL Playoffs Stats
S12 | CHI | GP: 7 | G: 2 | A: 6 | P: 8 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: 2 | Hits: 19 | SB: 9 |
S13 | VAN | GP: 4 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: -1 | Hits: 9 | SB: 3 |
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SHL Regular Season Stats
S13 | LVK | GP: 49 | G: 1 | A: 8 | P: 9 | PIMS: 24 | +/-: -1 | Hits: 45 | SB: 32 |
S14 | LVK | GP: 50 | G: 4 | A: 19 | P: 23 | PIMS: 40 | +/-: 10 | Hits: 81 | SB: 71 |
S15 | SEA | GP: 50 | G: 8 | A: 15 | P: 23 | PIMS: 61 | +/-: 5 | Hits: 105 | SB: 53 |
S16 | SEA | GP: 50 | G: 3 | A: 14 | P: 17 | PIMS: 54| +/-: -1 | Hits: 148 | SB: 75 |
S17 | SEA | GP: 38 | G: 1 | A: 15 | P: 16 | PIMS: 52 | +/-: 2 | Hits: 95 | SB: 57 |
S17 | EDM | GP: 12 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | PIMS: 12 | +/-: -5 | Hits: 14 | SB: 10 |
S18 | EDM | GP: 46 | G: 5 | A: 21 | P: 26 | PIMS: 46 | +/-: 2 | Hits: 84 | SB: 68 |
S19 | EDM | GP: 50 | G: 2 | A: 15 | P: 17 | PIMS: 36 | +/-: 10 | Hits: 105 | SB: 53 |
S20 | EDM | GP: 50 | G: 4 | A: 28 | P: 32 | PIMS: 54 | +/-: -2 | Hits: 129 | SB: 55 |
S21 | EDM | GP: 52 | G: 3 | A: 14 | P: 17 | PIMS: 86 | +/-: -2 | Hits: 127 | SB: 65 |
S22 | EDM | GP: 52 | G: 1 | A: 10 | P: 11 | PIMS: 52 | +/-: 4 | Hits: 119 | SB: 66 |
S23 | EDM | GP: 52 | G: 3 | A: 18 | P: 21 | PIMS: 79 | +/-: 7 | Hits: 120 | SB: 66 |
S24 | EDM | GP: 52 | G: 3 | A: 18 | P: 21 | PIMS: 66 | +/-: -4 | Hits: 155 | SB: 62 |
TOT | GP: 603 | G: 38 | A: 197 | P: 235 | PIMS: 662 | +/-: 25 | Hits: 1327 | SB: 733 |
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SHL Playoff Stats
S17 | EDM | GP: 7 | G: 1 | A: 1 | P: 2 | PIMS: 4 | +/-: -3 | Hits: 12 | SB: 8 |
S18 | EDM | GP: 11 | G: 1 | A: 4 | P: 5 | PIMS: 2 | +/-: 10 | Hits: 23 | SB: 14 |
S21 | EDM | GP: 7 | G: 1 | A: 2 | P: 3 | PIMS: 24 | +/-: 4 | Hits: 18 | SB: 4 |
S22 | EDM | GP: 12 | G: 2 | A: 4 | P: 6 | PIMS: 14 | +/-: 1 | Hits: 24 | SB: 15 |
S23 | EDM | GP: 20 | G: 0 | A: 4 | P: 4 | PIMS: 41 | +/-: -8 | Hits: 46 | SB: 22 |
TOT | GP: 57 | G: 5 | A: 15 | P: 20 | PIMS: 85 | +/-: 4 | Hits: 123 | SB: 63 |
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SHL Coaching Record:
S33 | TEX | W: 15 | L: 16 | OTL: 5 | OUT OF PLAYOFFS
S34 | TEX | W: 27 | L: 18 | OTL: 5 | LOST IN CONFERENCE FINALS
S35 | TEX | W: 26 | L: 19 | OTL: 5 | LOST IN QUARTERFINALS
S36 | TEX | W: 29 | L: 16 | OTL: 5 | WON CHAMPIONSHIP
S37 | TEX | W: 27 | L: 19 | OTL: 4 | LOST IN QUARTERFINALS
S38 | TEX | W: 19 | L: 27 | OTL: 4 | OUT OF PLAYOFFS
S39 | TEX | W: 24 | L: 20 | OTL: 6 | OUT OF PLAYOFFS
S40 | TEX | W: 32 | L: 12 | OTL: 6 | LOST IN QUARTERFINALS
S41 | TEX | W: 16 | L: 30 | OTL: 4 | OUT OF PLAYOFFS
S42 | TEX | W: 27 | L: 19 | OTL: 4 | LOST IN QUARTERFINALS
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Transactions:
Drafted - S12 Chicago Hitmen (4th Overall)
Drafted - S13 Las Vegas Kings (2nd Overall)
Signed - 3 Year, 12 Million Dollar Contract (S13, Las Vegas)
Signed - 2 Year, 5 Million Dollar Contract (S16, Seattle)
Traded - Traded to Edmonton (S17)
Signed - 3 Year, 9 Million Dollar Contract (S18, Edmonton)
Signed - 2 Year, 8.5 Million Dollar Contract (S21, Edmonton)
Signed - 3 Year, 4.5 Million Dollar Contract (S23, Edmonton)
Retired - S23 Offseason
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SHL Accomplishments:
Named Head Coach of Texas Renegades (S33)
Challenge Cup, Texas Renegades (S36)
Joe McKeil Trophy (S40) (Leagues Best Coach)
Joe McKeil Trophy (S42) (Leagues Best Coach)
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SMJHL Accomplishments:
Jersey Retired by the ST. LOUIS SCARECROWS (CHICAGO HITMEN), #4 (S16)
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SMJHL Awards:
Quilha Agante Trophy (S12) (Leagues Top Defenseman)
Zach Miller Trophy Nominee (S12) (Most Dedicated)


Zach Miller || Retired ||
Name: Zach Miller
Position: Right Wing
Age: 69
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 184 lbs
Birthplace: New Westminster, BC
Number: 21
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NWJHL Stats Season 5:
GP: 40 | G: 34 | A: 31 | P: 65 | PIMS: 81 | +/-: 8 | Shots: 153 |
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NWJHL Playoff Stats Season 5:
GP: 6 | G: 2 | A: 3 | P: 5 | PIMS: 15 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 19 |
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SHL Regular Season Stats
S6 | MIN | GP: 56 | G: 18 | A: 18 | P: 36 | PIMS: 102 | +/-: -2 | Shots: 143 |
S7 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 17 | A: 24 | P: 41 | PIMS: 77 | +/-: 16 | Shots: 126 |
S8 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 18 | A: 22 | P: 40 | PIMS: 29 | +/-: 8 | Shots: 174 |
S9 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 22 | A: 22 | P: 44 | PIMS: 6 | +/-: 10 | Shots: 104 |
S10 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 31 | A: 36 | P: 67 | PIM: 18 | +/-: 15 | Shots: 135 |
S11 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 30 | A: 34 | P: 64 | PIM: 27 | +/-: 20 | Shots: 125 |
S12 | MIN | GP: 50 | G: 18 | A: 17 | P: 35 | PIM: 22 | +/-: 5 | Shots: 150 |
TOT | GP: 356 | G: 154 | A: 173 | P: 327 | PIM: 281 | +/-: 72 | Shots: 957
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SHL Playoff Stats
S6 | MIN | GP: 17 | G: 8 | A: 6 | P: 14 | PIMS: 27 | +/-: 10 | Shots: 32 |
S7 | MIN | DNQ
S8 | MIN | GP: 12 | G: 2 | A: 4 | P: 6 | PIMS: 7 | +/-: 1 | Shots: 37 |
S9 | MIN | GP: 7 | G: 4 | A: 1 | P: 5 | PIM: 2 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 15 |
S10 | MIN | GP: 21 | G: 9 | A: 11 | P: 20 | PIM: 6 | +/-: 3 | Shots: 48 |
S11 | MIN | GP: 12 | G: 5 | A: 8 | P: 13 | PIM: 4 | +/-: -1 | Shots: 34 |
S12 | MIN | GP: 18 | G: 9 | A: 9 | P: 18 | PIM: 0 | +/-: 6 | Shots: 58 |
TOT | GP: 87 | G: 37 | A: 39 | P: 76 | PIM: 46 | +/-: 18 | Shots: 224
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Transactions:
Drafted - S5 Prince George Firebirds (7th Overall)
Drafted - S6 Minnesota Chiefs (4th Overall)
Signed - 6 Year, 15 Million Dollar Contract (S8, Minnesota)
Retired - S12 Offseason
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SMJHL Accomplishments:
Most Goals (S5)
Co-Leader in Points (S5)
Captain of the All-Star Team (S5)
Hired as Prince George Firebirds Co-GM (S6)
Promoted to Prince George Firebirds GM (S8)
Award for “Most Dedicated Player” named after Zach Miller
GM of the Four Star Cup Winning Team (S8, S20)
Jersey Retired by the PRINCE GEORGE FIREBIRDS, #16 (S10)
Named SMJHL Commissioner (S10-S17)
Hired as St. Louis Scarecrows GM (S18-S23)
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SMJHL Player Awards:
Drayson Williams Award Winner (S5) (League Leader in Goals)
Aaron Brown Trophy (S5) (MVP, As Voted by the Fans)
Ideen Fallah Trophy (S5) (MVP, As Voted on by the GM’s)
Zach Miller Trophy Nominee (S5) (Most Dedicated)
Laurifer Trophy (S5, Prince George) (Team with the Best Overall Record)
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SMJHL GM Awards:
Four Star Cup (GM) (S8, Prince George) (Championship Trophy)
Matthias Chouinard Trophy (S8) (Executive of the Year)
Matthias Chouinard Trophy (S18) (Executive of the Year)
Oriens Trophy (S18) (Eastern Conference Champions)
Matthias Chouinard Trophy (S19) (Executive of the Year)
Oriens Trophy (S19) (Eastern Conference Champions)
Matthias Chouinard Trophy (S20) (Executive of the Year)
Oriens Trophy (S20) (Eastern Conference Champions)
Four Star Cup (S20) (Championship Trophy)
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SHL Accomplishments:
7 Time SHL All-Star (S6-S12)
Promoted to Minnesota Chiefs Head GM (S9)
Minnesota Chiefs All-Time Leader in Points (S11-S28)
Jersey Retired by the MINNESOTA CHIEFS #21 (S13)
Awarded Expansion Team in Season 25 Expansion
Portland Admirals GM (S25-S30)
Named to SHL Head Office (S32-S34)
Named Senior Advisor of the Texas Renegades (S34-S39)
Named Assistant General Manager of the Texas Renegades (S39-S44)
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SHL Awards:
Ryan Jesster Award Nomination (S6) (Leagues Best Rookie)
Jeff Dar Award Nomination (S7) (Best Defensive Forward)
Challenge Cup Championship (S10)
Challenge Cup Championship (S12)
Anton Razov Award Nomination (S12) (MVP Of Playoffs)
Damien Littleton Trophy (S40) (Leagues Best Executive)
Damien Littleton Trophy Nominee (S42) (Leagues Best Executive)
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IIHF Accomplishments:
Team Canada Captain WJC (S6)
Team World GM (S7)
Named to Team Canada (S8-S12)
Named to Team Canada Olympic Team (S10)
Bronze Medal Team Canada WJC (S5)
Silver Medal Team Canada (S8)
Gold Medal Team Canada Olympic Team (S10)
Gold Medal Team Canada (S12)

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