04-15-2020, 12:32 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: I don't know all the details about the specific cases but it does feel like we could be going a bit overboard with some of these suspensions. At the end of the day these cases shouldn't be about the word itself, but about the intent with which it was sad. If someone uses "gay" or "retarded" as a throwaway term in some Discord conversation to describe something that he doesn't like then that's not cool, but it's very different from using those words to specifically target other people and go after them with personal attacks. Just inventing more and more -ism's and throwing them into peoples faces isn't particularly helpful.
With that being said, it's pretty obvious that most of these people are just coming back to troll, stir the pot and feel cool and edgy, so it's tough to feel much sympathy for them - because the intentions are obvious and go beyond accidentally using the word.
Can you fuck off?
I started this thread to create a legitimate conversation on a controversial topic and you're using the platform to spout some "higher than thou" soapbox bullshit as if you're the moral voice of reason in this community.
04-15-2020, 12:32 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: I don't know all the details about the specific cases but it does feel like we could be going a bit overboard with some of these suspensions. At the end of the day these cases shouldn't be about the word itself, but about the intent with which it was sad. If someone uses "gay" or "retarded" as a throwaway term in some Discord conversation to describe something that he doesn't like then that's not cool, but it's very different from using those words to specifically target other people and go after them with personal attacks. Just inventing more and more -ism's and throwing them into peoples faces isn't particularly helpful.
With that being said, it's pretty obvious that most of these people are just coming back to troll, stir the pot and feel cool and edgy, so it's tough to feel much sympathy for them - because the intentions are obvious and go beyond accidentally using the word.
Can you fuck off?
I started this thread to create a legitimate conversation on a controversial topic and you're using the platform to spout some "higher than thou" soapbox bullshit as if you're the moral voice of reason in this community.
I don't think anyone believe that you aren't just trolling. Stop acting like you're just now learning that racial slurs and derogatory terms for describing the differently abled and the word "boomer" are anything close to each other on the scale of not being okay to say.
04-15-2020, 12:32 PMRomanesEuntDomus Wrote: I don't know all the details about the specific cases but it does feel like we could be going a bit overboard with some of these suspensions. At the end of the day these cases shouldn't be about the word itself, but about the intent with which it was sad. If someone uses "gay" or "retarded" as a throwaway term in some Discord conversation to describe something that he doesn't like then that's not cool, but it's very different from using those words to specifically target other people and go after them with personal attacks. Just inventing more and more -ism's and throwing them into peoples faces isn't particularly helpful.
With that being said, it's pretty obvious that most of these people are just coming back to troll, stir the pot and feel cool and edgy, so it's tough to feel much sympathy for them - because the intentions are obvious and go beyond accidentally using the word.
There is a zero tolerance for these words for a reason. Let me just explain it by copy and pasting my last comment in this thread.
Using a neutral word that describes a group of peoples' identities (not opinions but their identities/conditions) and assigning a negative connotation to the word is the problem. Because now you've turned a neutral term into a negative term and every time someone who is, for example, autistic hears it used that way, it reinforces the idea that someone who is autistic is of less value than people who don't have autism. And that's the issue.
That also applies to gay or retard.
My point is that not everything that is shitty and in bad taste is automatically suspendable. There are different degress of bad that should be handled differently instead of with a sledgehammer approach. I would argue that there is a huge difference between saying "that show is gay" or "what a retarded idea", and calling someone a ***** or going after them by calling them a retard, autistic etc. I would argue that the former is in bad taste and is something that we should look to get rid of, but it also is a process that takes time and even decent people can end up saying these words almost accidentally because they have been so engrained in our language over decades of shittiness. You don't combat these mechanisms and help people to improve themselves by bringing out the banhammer every time a bad word is said.
04-15-2020, 12:20 PMLeanur Wrote: " you dont call retarded people retards. You call your friends retards when they're acting retarded"
If anybody has ever laughed that at while watching the office and didn't get outraged you are a hypocrite and you know it.
That scene is specifically making fun of people who think that you silly goose
And you need to realize that people calling each other autistic on a forum in jest is literally the exact same thing. Just take a moment to think about that
04-15-2020, 12:38 PMBaelor Swift Wrote: There is a zero tolerance for these words for a reason. Let me just explain it by copy and pasting my last comment in this thread.
Using a neutral word that describes a group of peoples' identities (not opinions but their identities/conditions) and assigning a negative connotation to the word is the problem. Because now you've turned a neutral term into a negative term and every time someone who is, for example, autistic hears it used that way, it reinforces the idea that someone who is autistic is of less value than people who don't have autism. And that's the issue.
That also applies to gay or retard.
My point is that not everything that is shitty and in bad taste is automatically suspendable. There are different degress of bad that should be handled differently instead of with a sledgehammer approach. I would argue that there is a huge difference between saying "that show is gay" or "what a retarded idea", and calling someone a ***** or going after them by calling them a retard, autistic etc. I would argue that the former is in bad taste and is something that we should look to get rid of, but it also is a process that takes time and even decent people can end up saying these words almost accidentally because they have been so engrained in our language over decades of shittiness. You don't combat these mechanisms and help people to improve themselves by bringing out the banhammer every time a bad word is said.
Wow, I cant believe I agree with you but well said
Also I dont need ingraining because I was just trolling but it's funny that everyone here thinks I need some extensive therapy ) )
04-15-2020, 12:57 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: That scene is specifically making fun of people who think that you silly goose
And you need to realize that people calling each other autistic on a forum in jest is literally the exact same thing. Just take a moment to think about that
04-15-2020, 12:58 PMLeanur Wrote: Boomer is derogatory towards a certain group of people
How can you guys be so daft to not realize this?
Its literally a "well I like this word and I dont like that word so I'll make the rules" argument. You guys are like a shitty Mean Girls sequel
For anyone wondering, this is pretty clearly a multi of one of the banned players. No posts in nearly four years, was introduced as being the banned member's "Family" here (some other fun ableism in that thread there), and just became "active" 11 hours ago to do nothing but defend their son.
But keep pretending we don't know that I guess. Circumventing bans is cool.
04-15-2020, 12:57 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote: That scene is specifically making fun of people who think that you silly goose
And you need to realize that people calling each other autistic on a forum in jest is literally the exact same thing. Just take a moment to think about that
Holy shit no it isn't! Do you not get that Michael Scott in that moment is literal satire of the boomer mindset? In that moment is literally playing a character in a show meant to make look like a total dumbass and make every viewer cringe but feel okay about it because he's not real.
When you do that you 1.) look out of touch 2.) get suspended 3.) get called a boomer because while people with disabilities in the past and still today have been locked away in asylums, been drugged to the point of being a zombie, denied job opportunities, and generally treated as second class citizens. What has happened to boomers that is anywhere near on the same level? You are not a protected class. You want be upset when some says ok boomer? Sure fuck it I don't care. But you want to act like it's anywhere near the level of saying the R word (I'm not even gonna post that disgusting shit) then you're so far out of the realm of reason that there's nothing left to say. I'm done with this boomer crap. Okay boomer? Yeah. Okay boomer.
04-15-2020, 12:58 PMLeanur Wrote: Boomer is derogatory towards a certain group of people
How can you guys be so daft to not realize this?
Its literally a "well I like this word and I dont like that word so I'll make the rules" argument. You guys are like a shitty Mean Girls sequel
For anyone wondering, this is pretty clearly a multi of one of the banned players. No posts in nearly four years, was introduced as being the banned member's "Family" here (some other fun ableism in that thread there), and just became "active" 11 hours ago to do nothing but defend their son.
But keep pretending we don't know that I guess. Circumventing bans is cool.
04-15-2020, 01:00 PMLeanur Wrote: And you need to realize that people calling each other autistic on a forum in jest is literally the exact same thing. Just take a moment to think about that
Holy shit no it isn't! Do you not get that Michael Scott in that moment is literal satire of the boomer mindset? In that moment is literally playing a character in a show meant to make look like a total dumbass and make every viewer cringe but feel okay about it because he's not real.
When you do that you 1.) look out of touch 2.) get suspended 3.) get called a boomer because while people with disabilities in the past and still today have been locked away in asylums, been drugged to the point of being a zombie, denied job opportunities, and generally treated as second class citizens. What has happened to boomers that is anywhere near on the same level? You are not a protected class. You want be upset when some says ok boomer? Sure fuck it I don't care. But you want to act like it's anywhere near the level of saying the R word (I'm not even gonna post that disgusting shit) then you're so far out of the realm of reason that there's nothing left to say. I'm done with this boomer crap. Okay boomer? Yeah. Okay boomer.
I'm not even a boomer I'm a millennial
Also I never used the R word, or was a homophobe like people are saying, or as one guy made the story up of me being a racist out of left field, nor am I white
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