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RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - LordBirdman - 09-16-2020
Assuming the team hits on its picks and has competent asset management, how many seasons (or months IRL) is it going to take for SFP to be competitive?
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Nhamlet - 09-16-2020
Which team is most unlikely to be successful at their rebuild and why?
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Samsung virtual assistant - 09-16-2020
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RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - dankoa - 09-16-2020
Which of the current “competitive” teams do you see having to enter a full on rebuild based on their future outlook at this point?
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - FlappyGiraffe - 09-16-2020
where did you have Gary Grease ranked during the S38 SMJHL draft? iirc you were montreal co-gm
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Zema - 09-16-2020
For the 2 seasons that I've been on this site actively, The Blizzards has had a rap of being awful at scouting. I remember getting drafted in the S55 class where you guys didn't bother reaching out at all until about 24h before through a message that can be summed up as: "Tell us about yourself?"
Do you actually believe this is the right way to go about scouting players for your SHL team, or are you simply not bothered much by the scouting process?
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Keygan - 09-16-2020
09-16-2020, 01:18 PMLordBirdman Wrote: Assuming the team hits on its picks and has competent asset management, how many seasons (or months IRL) is it going to take for SFP to be competitive?
I guess it depends on your definition of hitting a pick, so for the sake of this argument that a hit refers to 1500 TPE as a first-rounder, 1200 as a second-rounder and 900 as a third-round pick. I would say they need probably 6 seasons to starting wavering on that playoff bubble and closer to 7-8 to be truly competitive. I think the Kryyst trade really hurt them both long and short term and it would be a little faster if not for that trade. I'd be willing to listen on every piece that I haven't sent down as hard as that is to do and I'd follow a plan similar to TBB where I can build a core of a short range of seasons IE 55/56/57 prospects to have a nasty core in 6 seasons time.
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Keygan - 09-16-2020
09-16-2020, 01:55 PMNhamlet Wrote: Which team is most unlikely to be successful at their rebuild and why?
Ehhh, it's really hard for me to say as a completely outside source, I don't know the inner workings of each and every locker room but from an outside perspective often times I find myself scratching my head at the thought process behind certain trades being made.
I think Mika Mayfield is a great player, one of the better players in the league, but how much sense does it make to give up a first when the rest of your division is making playoffs over you even if you make the acquisition.
Again though I can't speak to the inner workings of each locker room, maybe Mayfield is a locker room game-changer and the management in Minnesota felt as though their locker room needed a true shot in the arm in order to keep the prospects interested.
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Keygan - 09-16-2020
09-16-2020, 02:13 PMdankoa Wrote: Which of the current “competitive” teams do you see having to enter a full-on rebuild based on their future outlook at this point?
The kind of horrifying thing is that none of the teams that were in the playoffs last year have a bad future outlook. All of them have nice prospect pools or young players coming up, all of them have great managers that seem to have really high levels of knowledge in regards to asset management. I think the highly competitive teams are highly competitive for a good reason and that's because of their management teams, they draft well, they manage their assets well, they know how to maximize the potential of their rosters. If I were forced to answer I'd had to just spit a guess, I'd say Calgary? But has Calgary ever been through a full-on rebuild? Not that I'm aware of at least.
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Keygan - 09-16-2020
09-16-2020, 02:27 PMFlappyGiraffe Wrote: where did you have Gary Grease ranked during the S38 SMJHL draft? iirc you were montreal co-gm
I wish I could give you a straight answer, but I have none of my scouting sheets from way back when, I was too stupid to use Google sheets at the time to centralize all of it. I'm looking back at the draft post and the only thing I knew for sure was that we wanted @teztify in the first round and we desperately needed a goalie so we took @treant in the second, outside of that I could not even begin to hint at the process.
RE: Keygan's post draft brutally honest presser. - Keygan - 09-16-2020
09-16-2020, 06:53 PMZema Wrote: For the 2 seasons that I've been on this site actively, The Blizzards has had a rap of being awful at scouting. I remember getting drafted in the S55 class where you guys didn't bother reaching out at all until about 24h before through a message that can be summed up as: "Tell us about yourself?"
Do you actually believe this is the right way to go about scouting players for your SHL team, or are you simply not bothered much by the scouting process?
We had a defined need in both drafts since you've been on the site, we have had incredible success drafting forwards as BAP or Best Available Player, we have found a system that has worked incredibly well for us in the past. We've continually identified later round picks that become eventual high value players, look at Guy LeGrande in the 2nd round of season 54.
I've recently hired @hockeyfan on as my new assistant manager, as he loves the idea of individualized conversations with each prospect. I've done the past three maybe even four seasons without needing to talk to entire classes of players. As a team that picks regularly in the 13-18 range why would we spent time talking to a player we already know for fact is going before our pick.
As for 24 hours pre-draft how often do we see players disappear right before the draft? It's incredibly value to know a player is checking into the site pre-draft, I want someone actively checking the site and that's something that I can learn in a 24 hours period pre-draft.
I think it's funny to be referred to as "Awful at scouting" though, as we're routinely told we've gotten incredibly valuable players later in drafts, but to each their own I guess.