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- Aaron "AAA" Allen - 10-10-2012
However, you will have people jumping ship from non-competitive teams a lot quicker so they have a chance to win within their new shorter careers. Hopefully shortened careers will make more team competitive and this won't become a issue.
- Jesster - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Sponges@Oct 10 2012, 01:08 PM
Yes, let's add a career limit. How about 12 years and then we go back and bump regression forward a bit?
Yeah or else Jesster will be in this league until S20 as the Dragons backup
- shanYe - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Aaron "AAA" Allen@Oct 10 2012, 01:12 PM
However, you will have people jumping ship from non-competitive teams a lot quicker so they have a chance to win within their new shorter careers. Hopefully shortened careers will make more team competitive and this won't become a issue.
This could be an issue. We really don't have enough active players to keep ten teams competitive.
Really as it stands the Dragons are poised to dominante the East for the rest of time. Jesster in net, Webb/Richan/Dupont/Chisling/WIlliams/Bolt like a roster needs like five stars to compete with them.
Maybe consider lowering the salary cap to even things out.
- Munk - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Sponges@Oct 10 2012, 11:08 AM
Yes, let's add a career limit. How about 12 years and then we go back and bump regression forward a bit?
12 years is still fucking long... I'd say max 10.
- Spangle - 10-10-2012
We're at 10 now. I would say 10, if we were not in 10 right now. Plus, people forget that regression is coming this offseason.
- Aaron "AAA" Allen - 10-10-2012
Also, on a side note if this goes ahead will it effect everyone or just new players?
I ask because didn't S1 and S2 players not get hit with regression yet because of some issue, so would current players not be affected by this rule if it changes or would they get some similar adjustment?
Just something to think about and consider.
- Jesster - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Aaron "AAA" Allen@Oct 10 2012, 01:27 PM
Also, on a side note if this goes ahead will it effect everyone or just new players?
I ask because didn't S1 and S2 players not get hit with regression yet because of some issue, so would current players not be affected by this rule if it changes or would they get some similar adjustment?
Just something to think about and consider.
Only because we had been hit with it for 2 seasons previously.
- Spangle - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Aaron "AAA" Allen@Oct 10 2012, 02:27 PM
Also, on a side note if this goes ahead will it effect everyone or just new players?
I ask because didn't S1 and S2 players not get hit with regression yet because of some issue, so would current players not be affected by this rule if it changes or would they get some similar adjustment?
Just something to think about and consider.
They didn't get hit with it yet because they requested to not be due to them having been put under regression in the previous system and losing out on unregressed seasons. We pushed it back to give everyone the same amount of unregressed seasons basically.
- Schultzy - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by jkrever@Oct 10 2012, 12:20 PM
if you make careers 4-8 seasons and start regression in S5 or 6 or so, the problem is avoided because by the time someone's close to maxing out, they start losing points.
the more points you have, the more you lose in regression.
6 or 7 seasons is a long time and a good career. Three to four to build your player up then a few seasons as a dominant player in the League, as you try to maintain your player against rising young stars, then retirement.
Eight seasons should be the max IMO. But its really all about regression. That's what really regulates it.
- Obsidian311 - 10-10-2012
To be honest and I doubt I am the only one, a max season limit would kill this league for me. I don't want to change players every 8-10 seasons. Just cut the freakin uncapped points for stupid stuff. Not sure whats so difficult about that.
- BigTittySmitty - 10-10-2012
Why not just cut the points that are either unrelated to hockey or unrelated to the league.... That is what I've always been confused about since this is a sim league based on hockey and we are awarding perks for following football... That makes no sense to me since it seems so irrelevant to the league.
People keep complaining ways to get points are too high but we got stuff there that is unrelated to the above hockey/league... scrap them and it'd be a good start.
Create a universal form of payment (cash) and boom done... with the weekly training limits it would benefit from players developing too fast...
- Jesster - 10-10-2012
Quote:Originally posted by DaveSmith@Oct 10 2012, 05:13 PM
Why not just cut the points that are either unrelated to hockey or unrelated to the league.... That is what I've always been confused about since this is a sim league based on hockey and we are awarding perks for following football... That makes no sense to me since it seems so irrelevant to the league.
People keep complaining ways to get points are too high but we got stuff there that is unrelated to the above hockey/league... scrap them and it'd be a good start.
Create a universal form of payment (cash) and boom done... with the weekly training limits it would benefit from players developing too fast...
This, this and this. Money only would work for me, then maybe more people would be using the entire individual camp and not just the weekly +5. Although that brings up another issue I would like to see address, individual training camps could be changed up a bit. I mean the whole thing was create when the league used NHL 2006 as its simulator.
- jkrever - 10-11-2012
Quote:Originally posted by Obsidian311@Oct 10 2012, 04:48 PMwell all I can say to you is if the teams are mostly the same for 10 seasons, and the best teams remain the best teams for that long (which we will see with the current system), it's going to get very stale.
To be honest and I doubt I am the only one, a max season limit would kill this league for me. I don't want to change players every 8-10 seasons. Just cut the freakin uncapped points for stupid stuff. Not sure whats so difficult about that.
That, and the fact that the best players will be the best players for a long time because they can get 800 TPE within four seasons and then just do nothing for another 10 seasons and have the best player in the league.
- CyanWinters - 10-11-2012
I'll jump in with my perspective as someone new to this for this season. I'm already at 209 TPE for whatever that's worth, and there is 22 Capped TPE sitting out there that I could take at any time.
Anywho, reading this thread has sort of broken my spirit. I've really enjoyed this so far and, compared to a lot of people in my recruiting class, put in a lot of work because of that. (300 posts in a month!
As I read this thread, I have pretty much lost all desire to go to the SHL, knowing I'll spend 2 seasons getting teabagged by 99 OVR players before I can even hold my own, and even then have my stats be pretty bad for a goalie in real life. I'd rather just sit in the NWJHL for another year in that case.
The overall picture painted for my future here is pretty bleak. I'm one of those people who hates "Legends Teams" in games and such that are just stupid 99 Overall players with 99 stats for everything. So I certainly hate the idea of putting in time and effort into a league where that is the case already and will only get worse as this inflation goes on. I get the sense that there are probably too many people who've been here forever who would be against any real change, and maybe I'm pessimistic but I just don't expect any radical change over the next season or two based on what I've seen in my time here so far.
With the number of PMs I've gotten for competing leagues, plus the NHL league that I run, plus this scary thing called "real life", I just have a hunch that my time here will be limited by all of the things in this thread.
- jkrever - 10-11-2012
Quote:Originally posted by CyanWinters@Oct 11 2012, 10:29 AM
I'll jump in with my perspective as someone new to this for this season. I'm already at 209 TPE for whatever that's worth, and there is 22 Capped TPE sitting out there that I could take at any time.
Anywho, reading this thread has sort of broken my spirit. I've really enjoyed this so far and, compared to a lot of people in my recruiting class, put in a lot of work because of that. (300 posts in a month!
As I read this thread, I have pretty much lost all desire to go to the SHL, knowing I'll spend 2 seasons getting teabagged by 99 OVR players before I can even hold my own, and even then have my stats be pretty bad for a goalie in real life. I'd rather just sit in the NWJHL for another year in that case.
The overall picture painted for my future here is pretty bleak. I'm one of those people who hates "Legends Teams" in games and such that are just stupid 99 Overall players with 99 stats for everything. So I certainly hate the idea of putting in time and effort into a league where that is the case already and will only get worse as this inflation goes on. I get the sense that there are probably too many people who've been here forever who would be against any real change, and maybe I'm pessimistic but I just don't expect any radical change over the next season or two based on what I've seen in my time here so far.
With the number of PMs I've gotten for competing leagues, plus the NHL league that I run, plus this scary thing called "real life", I just have a hunch that my time here will be limited by all of the things in this thread.
I don't see inflation as a major issue here, no one is completely maxed out right now even after so many seasons, and even if that's so, some of our best players ever had fewer attributes than many other players (for example Ron Mexico).
Hell, Sergei Karpotsov dominated the whole league back when people didn't earn many extra points.
Your concerns are obviously taken to heart but I don't think there's a reason to be as pessimistic as you say.