07-18-2019, 06:40 PMSwegButthole Wrote: The SHL does have a mob mentality, however this time im not really against it based on his comments.

I have the mentality that its better to let idiots spout their nonsense instead of trying to silence them, that way everyone can see how dumb they are. Trying to silence people are just going to give them a victim complex, something that has been obvious here in Sweden recently in the swedish elections the last couple of years.

I agree with the point made in the media about the mob mentality JRuutu, i dont agree with the case though. IMO just take the L before its too late, it can only get worse from here.

07-18-2019, 06:55 PMGrapehead Wrote:

07-18-2019, 06:40 PMSwegButthole Wrote: The SHL does have a mob mentality, however this time im not really against it based on his comments.

I have the mentality that its better to let idiots spout their nonsense instead of trying to silence them, that way everyone can see how dumb they are. Trying to silence people are just going to give them a victim complex, something that has been obvious here in Sweden recently in the swedish elections the last couple of years.

I agree with the point made in the media about the mob mentality JRuutu, i dont agree with the case though. IMO just take the L before its too late, it can only get worse from here.

I don't think anyone tried to silence penknight though. You could say certain people would like to silence penknight's critics, that's obviously been implied, but I only saw people commenting on the stupidity of penknight's comment. He wants to act like he's been silenced, but the guy has been dying for attention like this since he arrived, and he's certainly lapping it up from a few kind souls benevolent enough to fight for his freedoms. It's just really frustrating to see anyone try to make penknight out to be any sort of victim here, while ignoring the people who actually had their experience here negativity impacted from his behaviour. Like I've said before though, it's not so much the original comment, but his attitude to being called out that has left the bad taste in my mouth. Ugly should've just held the L.

SwegButthole Wrote: Ya i edited it during your reply to include ganging up. Simply ganging up on someone will always bring defenders who will defend purely for the sake of it.

yeah i get it Grape, i understand uuuuu

07-18-2019, 07:06 PMGrapehead Wrote:

SwegButthole Wrote: Ya i edited it during your reply to include ganging up. Simply ganging up on someone will always bring defenders who will defend purely for the sake of it.

yeah i get it Grape, i understand uuuuu

LIFE

07-18-2019, 04:22 PMcaltroit_red_flames Wrote:

07-18-2019, 04:15 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: It isn't just about "that person." And honestly, it's not even really about me personally, it's about setting the standard for the culture we want to exist in, so maybe someday my daughter doesn't have to hear some guy tell her that she shouldn't pursue her dream job. Maybe this one guy being an asshat isn't going to actually change my life, but when we're surrounded by that kind of attitude, how do we choose which people to call out and which ones not to? It's about drawing a line and saying "this attitude is not okay and I am not going to be silent and shrug it off and pretend it is okay just so I don't make somebody feel bad about their antiquated bigoted views." If we don't call it out when we see it, we send the message that it's okay, or at the very least that it isn't something we're willing to stand up for. Why should this guy get a free pass (especially when he has demonstrated that he is absolutely unwilling to admit that he might be wrong about this, and just decided to double down and say even worse things when he was called out)?

Hugely agree on the daughter part. I love my fiancee and I hope some day I'll have a daughter I love even more. If either of them got told they should stop pursuing their dream job because they have a vagina I'd probably go BALLSistic.

07-18-2019, 05:30 PMjRuutu Wrote:

07-18-2019, 04:44 PMbluesfan55 Wrote: The fact that someone I used to respect is now defending pk makes me sad

Sure, we may have pushed that dipshit away, but Cal said the truth: he wasn't willing to change. I don't think anyone wants to push away anyone else, but when you say shit like he said, and then double down on that, get the fuck out of my league. I'm lucky enough to have women (ej and peebs) as my teammates, and I'm pretty sure they'd rip pk to shreds if he didn't leave the pride discord first because we have women on our team (and jiggly). Why anyone would defend him, to me, is inconcievable.

I´m not defending PK, just openly wondering why so many blindly throw rocks at the guy and don´t feel bad at all when he leaves the site. Was everything done correctly when that is the end result? Is the standard now to thunderdome the shit out of anyone who says something controversial or idiotic and then keep going until the user leaves?

07-18-2019, 05:20 PMsköldpaddor Wrote:

07-18-2019, 05:05 PMhotdog Wrote: no because the only thing that's gonna get this type of reaction is misogyny, racism, homophobia, etc. totally fine with those being left unsaid lol

This exactly. "Different opinions" are things like "I prefer everything bagels instead of plain bagels" not "this person is a lesser person and doesn't deserve the same opportunities and options in life because of their gender/race/orientation." That's not just having a different point of view, that's bigotry and when one person thinks it, maybe it doesn't seem to make a difference, but when more people are given the idea that it's okay, it starts to add up. The only way you change that BS as a society is to call it out when you see it. If he had just been willing to even remotely concede that this is a not-okay attitude to have, I would have been fully willing to move on from it, but he decided to be antagonistic and belligerent instead, so I am under no obligation to sacrifice my principles and shut up just so he doesn't feel bad.

If he doesn't want to be labeled as and treated like a bigot, he should stop being a bigot.

07-18-2019, 06:40 PMSwegButthole Wrote: The SHL does have a mob mentality, however this time im not really against it based on his comments.

I have the mentality that its better to let idiots spout their nonsense instead of everybody ganging up/trying to silence them, that way everyone can see how dumb they are. Trying to silence people are just going to give them a victim complex, something that has been obvious here in Sweden recently in the swedish elections the last couple of years.

I agree with the point made in the media about the mob mentality JRuutu, i dont agree with the case though. IMO just take the L before its too late, it can only get worse from here.

07-18-2019, 06:40 PMSwegButthole Wrote: The SHL does have a mob mentality, however this time im not really against it based on his comments.

I have the mentality that its better to let idiots spout their nonsense instead of everybody ganging up/trying to silence them, that way everyone can see how dumb they are. Trying to silence people are just going to give them a victim complex, something that has been obvious here in Sweden recently in the swedish elections the last couple of years.

I agree with the point made in the media about the mob mentality JRuutu, i dont agree with the case though. IMO just take the L before its too late, it can only get worse from here.

07-18-2019, 04:21 PMFlareon4043 Wrote: "Silence encourages the tormentor, not the tormented"

-Some quote I saw a while ago

07-18-2019, 10:39 PMWhite Cornerback Wrote: pee pee poo poo

07-18-2019, 04:54 PMWaters Wrote:

07-18-2019, 03:36 PMjRuutu Wrote: At the same time it´s still ok for the group to keep throwing rocks at the guy who said ´gross shit´. When is it going to stop - when are those people getting called out for being just as toxic? PenKnight now has a certain reputation not just in SHL, but in other leagues as well - bit harsh ´punishment´ for saying what you think, no?  

People in the past had a lot thicker skin than people today, these days people just wait and wait just to get offended about something.

Actually about as just as a punishment gets

07-19-2019, 01:28 AMPenKnight Wrote: I made a mistake and decided to take action and pay the consequences.
I really do not see what the problem is.

07-19-2019, 01:34 AMSecondSucks22 Wrote:

07-19-2019, 01:28 AMPenKnight Wrote: I made a mistake and decided to take action and pay the consequences.
I really do not see what the problem is.

Except you didn't do any of that, you could have came on to the 30+ page post and say "I'm sorry I said those things" even if you actually weren't and I guarantee people would have dropped it, instead you ghosted for days, then came on and played the victim.