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- Mook - 07-08-2015
So the expansion team will be filled with 500 TPE players?
- RomanesEuntDomus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Merica@Jul 8 2015, 11:34 PM
It isn't. I'm civilly disagreeing.
I don't wanna be forced to choose sides though cause I agree with neither him or you :lol:
- Nike - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by grimmsterj@Jul 8 2015, 05:33 PM
I like 15. Just using Seattle as an example:
CoC (1580)
Kylrad (1232)
Koskinen (1234)
Winter (992)
Mckeil (854)
Nikitin (1001)
Leo (1034)
Flamel(875)
Brojled(938)
Bodnar(847)
Manning(812)
And younger guys
Ziepens (S23) (467)
Karlensons (S22) (673)
Bursyuk (S22) (748)
Urbowicz (S21) (583)
This leaves:
G - Osgoode (423)
Parker (590)
Miller (496)
Pomery (414)
I know Seattle is a little higher in TPE than other teams but this seems pretty fair to everyone.
Yep. This is pretty realisitic. If I'm a GM of an expansion draft team, I'm thrilled to be getting any of those leftovers. Hell, when I first came to Manhattan if someone had said, hey you get your player and 4 free players of 400-600 TPE, I would have danced for joy. And that's just one roster.
Not to mention, expansion is going to be what like 2 new franchises to start? They realisitcally only need 16-18 skaters themselves. That's 36 players from 12 current SHL franchises on the high end. Plus they'll still own picks in the regular Entry draft. (Likely lottery selections, no?)
Ideally, each SHL team loses one or two middling assets. And then we give expansion teams supplemental picks at the end of the first round (or something to this effect) in addition to their lottery picks and all of a sudden they have enough to field teams and enough specs that they can be at the very least competitive within 3 seasons.
- RomanesEuntDomus - 07-08-2015
Let's not get too caught up with the expansion draft details by the way, it seems like we have been talking about this for seasons now but none of the people who are preventing it so far have really come out of hiding and presented their side of the argument.
- RomanesEuntDomus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by grimmsterj@Jul 8 2015, 11:33 PM
I like 15. Just using Seattle as an example:
CoC (1580)
Kylrad (1232)
Koskinen (1234)
Winter (992)
Mckeil (854)
Nikitin (1001)
Leo (1034)
Flamel(875)
Brojled(938)
Bodnar(847)
Manning(812)
And younger guys
Ziepens (S23) (467)
Karlensons (S22) (673)
Bursyuk (S22) (748)
Urbowicz (S21) (583)
This leaves:
G - Osgoode (423)
Parker (590)
Miller (496)
Pomery (414)
I know Seattle is a little higher in TPE than other teams but this seems pretty fair to everyone.
Don't forget all our S24 picks...
- Birks - 07-08-2015
grimmsterj forgot to add Vlaters. Thats another 600TP forward
- Winter is Coming - 07-08-2015
Is expansion even happening? That is the biggest question needed to be answered! :lol:
- grimmsterj - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 8 2015, 06:47 PM
grimmsterj forgot to add Vlaters. Thats another 600TP forward
He was traded in the deal for McKeil I believe
- Schultzy - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Mook@Jul 8 2015, 06:38 PM+ GM player+ high draft pick in the Historic S25 super draft + a leg up on Free Agency since they have a CoGM spot to fill.
So the expansion team will be filled with 500 TPE players?
Back to the topic at hand, I have most everything planned and can implement it with minimal impact to this off-season. We should expand, the plans are set and it can be done correctly and efficiently. Just waiting on approval. But it is in no way too late to do so. Most of the steps can actually be done simultaneously such as having GM applications open while fielding location ideas. And the logo can be done during the playoffs and off-season. The plans are ready and have been ready. Its been talked to death again and again. Time to actually do it.
FWIW, the only reason previous expansions matter, is to learn from them. I have no interest in creating two new bottom feeders. Expansion should happen, but there is a fair way to do it which creates a competitive franchise without destroying any of the current teams.
- BasedMinkus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jul 8 2015, 02:28 PM
I kinda like fewer protections but auto-protecting players with 52 games or game less (that's what I protected 13 + rookies), but 15 should be fine as well, it's probably harsher for a lot of teams though than 13 + rookies would be.
Of course you like your own idea
What about a choice. Like you can either do 13 + rookies or 15 and rookies go unprotected. For a team like New England or WKP they may want to go the first route while a team like SEA or MAN or MIN may want to get the latter.
- Birks - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by grimmsterj@Jul 9 2015, 12:50 AM
He was traded in the deal for McKeil I believe
Ohh right. My bad!
- RomanesEuntDomus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Josh@Jul 8 2015, 11:50 PM
Of course you like your own idea
What about a choice. Like you can either do 13 + rookies or 15 and rookies go unprotected. For a team like New England or WKP they may want to go the first route while a team like SEA or MAN or MIN may want to get the latter.
That could work.
- Winter is Coming - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Jul 8 2015, 05:50 PMIf you truy have everything planned out as you said, it makes most sense to have expansion set for this off-season, so at least the new teams can gain talent in this draft, and have an easier times becoming decent. There is no given that the S26 draft will be anywhere near as good as S25.
+ GM player+ high draft pick in the Historic S25 super draft + a leg up on Free Agency since they have a CoGM spot to fill.
Back to the topic at hand, I have most everything planned and can implement it with minimal impact to this off-season. We should expand, the plans are set and it can be done correctly and efficiently. Just waiting on approval. But it is in no way too late to do so. Most of the steps can actually be done simultaneously such as having GM applications open while fielding location ideas. And the logo can be done during the playoffs and off-season. The plans are ready and have been ready. Its been talked to death again and again. Time to actually do it.
FWIW, the only reason previous expansions matter, is to learn from them. I have no interest in creating two new bottom feeders. Expansion should happen, but there is a fair way to do it which creates a competitive franchise without destroying any of the current teams.
- RomanesEuntDomus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Jul 8 2015, 11:50 PM
+ GM player+ high draft pick in the Historic S25 super draft + a leg up on Free Agency since they have a CoGM spot to fill.
Back to the topic at hand, I have most everything planned and can implement it with minimal impact to this off-season. We should expand, the plans are set and it can be done correctly and efficiently. Just waiting on approval. But it is in no way too late to do so. Most of the steps can actually be done simultaneously such as having GM applications open while fielding location ideas. And the logo can be done during the playoffs and off-season. The plans are ready and have been ready. Its been talked to death again and again. Time to actually do it.
FWIW, the only reason previous expansions matter, is to learn from them. I have no interest in creating two new bottom feeders. Expansion should happen, but there is a fair way to do it which creates a competitive franchise without destroying any of the current teams.
Time for some of the people in the Head Office to stop delaying this then
- BasedMinkus - 07-08-2015
Quote:Originally posted by Schultzy@Jul 8 2015, 02:50 PM
+ GM player+ high draft pick in the Historic S25 super draft + a leg up on Free Agency since they have a CoGM spot to fill.
Back to the topic at hand, I have most everything planned and can implement it with minimal impact to this off-season. We should expand, the plans are set and it can be done correctly and efficiently. Just waiting on approval. But it is in no way too late to do so. Most of the steps can actually be done simultaneously such as having GM applications open while fielding location ideas. And the logo can be done during the playoffs and off-season. The plans are ready and have been ready. Its been talked to death again and again. Time to actually do it.
FWIW, the only reason previous expansions matter, is to learn from them. I have no interest in creating two new bottom feeders. Expansion should happen, but there is a fair way to do it which creates a competitive franchise without destroying any of the current teams.
So basically you are saying you want the shl to be like youth soccer where every team wins!
Other than the suggestions made by myself and winter, anything else will hurt top end franchises and that shouldn't happen to cater to EXPANSION teams.
Don't ruin the hard work put in by GMs. Its bs.