(Deep Dive #2) The Kids Are Alright: A Look at Nevada's Rookie Third Line
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05-12-2025, 04:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-12-2025, 04:13 PM by matt. Edited 1 time in total.)
The Nevada Battleborn’s season has largely been a disappointment this year. We’re 14th in the J with a .330 point percentage and a -91 goal differential. I don’t see much value in dwelling on the negatives of this situation; instead, I’m writing this to highlight one of the silver linings here in the desert. Our future is bright, and one of the groups embodying that future is our rookie third line.
At left wing, we’ve got Becky Fromm. Recreating after a dynamite career on San Francisco’s blueline, Nevada took veteran @BadWolf's new winger with the third overall pick. At center, it’s newcomer Joe Schmoe(that’s me!). I don’t have as storied a career as my linemates, but you can believe me when I say I’m ready to make one. Finally, at right wing, we have Valter Forsberg, @JustAnotherHockeyFan's recreate, another SF veteran, and a slam dunk steal of a round 3 pick. The three of us slotted in together on the third line, and, compared to other third lines across the league, we’re already looking very productive across every category. An important limitation of this data is that it only measures one point in time; we’ve been together on the third line all season, but that doesn’t mean other teams haven’t swapped theirs around. All of these measures are updated as of May 11th, and this is only comparing third line forwards to third line forwards, based on the index line listing. This excludes anything from defense or the first or second lines. I’ll post the full(loosely structured) data at the bottom, to make word-count tracking easier. - In both goals and assists, we’re tied for ninth among third lines. The middle of both of those races is very tight; though tied for ninth, we’re only six away from being fourth in goals, and seven from fifth in assists. - Overall, those numbers put us at 10th amongst the SMJHL’s third lines in points. - Relative to the rest of the league, Nevada’s third line has chipped in fairly heavily on special teams; we’ve combined for thirteen power play points and eight shorties. That puts us in ties for second and first in the league, respectively. - Hits are fun, and all three of us say so; we’re second there, only four hits behind first. - Puck responsibility is easily the weakest point I measured here; we are second in giveaways, only four away from first. This high rate of turning over the puck could be a big contributor to our cumulative, miserable plus/minus(-88), but plus/minus is generally not all that reliable a measure for individual performance, particularly in a season as bad as the one we’re in the midst of. The Battleborn only have one positive player in that regard, mid-season waiver pickup Ryan Fishman. - We’re fairly defensively responsible outside of that giveaway stat; we come in at eighth in takeaways and fifth in shots blocked. So what’s the big deal here? I said the future was bright for this line, and then painted a picture of a middle-of-the-road performance, outside of the top five amongst third lines in every category except hits and shots blocked. How does that bode well for the future? The answer is in our applied TPE rank; amongst third lines in the J, Nevada’s is ranked fifteenth out of sixteen. This is a line that is outperforming their points spent in nearly every category, on a team that is generally having a down season. If we can turn things around in the coming years, Fromm/Schmoe/Forsberg is going to be a line to be feared. (Word count(pre-data): 604) Data as of 5/11/25: GOALS Kelowna Knights 82 Vancouver Whalers 60 Carolina Kraken 55 Newfoundland Berserkers 44 Maine Timber 41 Yukon Malamutes 40 Great Falls Grizzlies 39 St. Louis Scarecrows 39 Quebec City Citadelles 38 Nevada Battleborn 38 Ottawa Highlanders 33 Thunder Bay Walleye 28 San Diego Tidal 26 Detroit Falcons 25 Anchorage Armada 24 Colorado Raptors 15 POINTS Kelowna Knights 195 Vancouver Whalers 142 Newfoundland Berserkers 118 Carolina Kraken 115 Maine Timber 112 Yukon Malamutes 107 Great Falls Grizzlies 102 Quebec City Citadelles 101 St. Louis Scarecrows 100 Nevada Battleborn 98 Ottawa Highlanders 89 Detroit Falcons 78 San Diego Tidal 72 Anchorage Armada 71 Thunder Bay Walleye 70 Colorado Raptors 44 ASSISTS Kelowna Knights 113 Vancouver Whalers 82 Newfoundland Berserkers 74 Maine Timber 71 Yukon Malamutes 67 Great Falls Grizzlies 63 Quebec City Citadelles 63 St. Louis Scarecrows 61 Nevada Battleborn 60 Carolina Kraken 60 Ottawa Highlanders 56 Detroit Falcons 53 Anchorage Armada 47 San Diego Tidal 46 Thunder Bay Walleye 42 Colorado Raptors 29 PPGOALS Maine Timber 14 Carolina Kraken 4 Vancouver Whalers 4 Ottawa Highlanders 2 Nevada Battleborn 2 Kelowna Knights 2 Thunder Bay Walleye 1 Quebec City Citadelles 1 Newfoundland Berserkers 1 Anchorage Armada 1 San Diego Tidal 0 Great Falls Grizzlies 0 St. Louis Scarecrows 0 Detroit Falcons 0 Colorado Raptors 0 Yukon Malamutes 0 SHGOALS Nevada Battleborn 4 Kelowna Knights 3 Yukon Malamutes 2 San Diego Tidal 1 Ottawa Highlanders 1 Carolina Kraken 1 Detroit Falcons 1 Newfoundland Berserkers 1 Vancouver Whalers 1 Anchorage Armada 1 Great Falls Grizzlies 0 Thunder Bay Walleye 0 Quebec City Citadelles 0 St. Louis Scarecrows 0 Colorado Raptors 0 Maine Timber 0 PPASSISTS Maine Timber 21 Anchorage Armada 12 Nevada Battleborn 11 Vancouver Whalers 6 Kelowna Knights 5 Thunder Bay Walleye 3 Yukon Malamutes 3 Ottawa Highlanders 1 Quebec City Citadelles 1 Carolina Kraken 1 Colorado Raptors 1 San Diego Tidal 0 Great Falls Grizzlies 0 St. Louis Scarecrows 0 Detroit Falcons 0 Newfoundland Berserkers 0 PPPOINTS Maine Timber 35 Nevada Battleborn 13 Anchorage Armada 13 Vancouver Whalers 10 Kelowna Knights 7 Carolina Kraken 5 Thunder Bay Walleye 4 Ottawa Highlanders 3 Yukon Malamutes 3 Quebec City Citadelles 2 Colorado Raptors 1 Newfoundland Berserkers 1 San Diego Tidal 0 Great Falls Grizzlies 0 St. Louis Scarecrows 0 Detroit Falcons 0 SHASSISTS Kelowna Knights 5 Nevada Battleborn 4 St. Louis Scarecrows 4 Ottawa Highlanders 3 Newfoundland Berserkers 2 Great Falls Grizzlies 1 Quebec City Citadelles 1 Vancouver Whalers 1 San Diego Tidal 0 Thunder Bay Walleye 0 Carolina Kraken 0 Detroit Falcons 0 Colorado Raptors 0 Yukon Malamutes 0 Maine Timber 0 Anchorage Armada 0 SHPOINTS Nevada Battleborn 8 Kelowna Knights 8 Ottawa Highlanders 4 St. Louis Scarecrows 4 Newfoundland Berserkers 3 Yukon Malamutes 2 Vancouver Whalers 2 San Diego Tidal 1 Great Falls Grizzlies 1 Quebec City Citadelles 1 Carolina Kraken 1 Detroit Falcons 1 Anchorage Armada 1 Thunder Bay Walleye 0 Colorado Raptors 0 Maine Timber 0 GWG St. Louis Scarecrows 10 Great Falls Grizzlies 9 Kelowna Knights 9 Quebec City Citadelles 7 Carolina Kraken 6 Vancouver Whalers 6 Ottawa Highlanders 5 Nevada Battleborn 5 Yukon Malamutes 5 Newfoundland Berserkers 5 Maine Timber 5 San Diego Tidal 4 Anchorage Armada 2 Thunder Bay Walleye 1 Detroit Falcons 1 Colorado Raptors 1 HITS Maine Timber 379 Nevada Battleborn 375 St. Louis Scarecrows 368 Kelowna Knights 366 Quebec City Citadelles 358 Great Falls Grizzlies 342 Anchorage Armada 317 Newfoundland Berserkers 313 Ottawa Highlanders 308 Vancouver Whalers 306 Detroit Falcons 293 Colorado Raptors 267 Carolina Kraken 255 Yukon Malamutes 230 Thunder Bay Walleye 228 San Diego Tidal 204 GIVEAWAYS Ottawa Highlanders 171 Nevada Battleborn 167 Vancouver Whalers 152 Kelowna Knights 148 St. Louis Scarecrows 146 Anchorage Armada 146 Quebec City Citadelles 128 San Diego Tidal 127 Carolina Kraken 124 Detroit Falcons 124 Maine Timber 124 Colorado Raptors 120 Great Falls Grizzlies 116 Newfoundland Berserkers 114 Yukon Malamutes 110 Thunder Bay Walleye 89 TAKEAWAYS Kelowna Knights 112 Vancouver Whalers 87 Quebec City Citadelles 86 Maine Timber 86 Detroit Falcons 83 Great Falls Grizzlies 79 Ottawa Highlanders 76 Nevada Battleborn 74 Thunder Bay Walleye 70 San Diego Tidal 68 Newfoundland Berserkers 65 Carolina Kraken 64 St. Louis Scarecrows 62 Colorado Raptors 48 Yukon Malamutes 42 Anchorage Armada 41 SHOTSBLOCKED Thunder Bay Walleye 127 Ottawa Highlanders 99 Detroit Falcons 92 Kelowna Knights 92 Nevada Battleborn 89 Colorado Raptors 86 Carolina Kraken 85 Maine Timber 82 Anchorage Armada 78 San Diego Tidal 77 Quebec City Citadelles 63 Yukon Malamutes 61 Newfoundland Berserkers 60 Vancouver Whalers 59 Great Falls Grizzlies 57 St. Louis Scarecrows 39 SHOTSONGOAL Kelowna Knights 462 Vancouver Whalers 348 St. Louis Scarecrows 336 Quebec City Citadelles 326 Carolina Kraken 322 Nevada Battleborn 304 Maine Timber 294 Ottawa Highlanders 282 Great Falls Grizzlies 280 Detroit Falcons 243 Newfoundland Berserkers 233 Yukon Malamutes 200 Anchorage Armada 199 Thunder Bay Walleye 177 San Diego Tidal 175 Colorado Raptors 172 TPE Kelowna Knights 1080 Maine Timber 988 Great Falls Grizzlies 937 Vancouver Whalers 911 Ottawa Highlanders 894 San Diego Tidal 891 Carolina Kraken 852 Yukon Malamutes 823 St. Louis Scarecrows 799 Anchorage Armada 795 Newfoundland Berserkers 780 Thunder Bay Walleye 766 Detroit Falcons 758 Quebec City Citadelles 745 Nevada Battleborn 734 Colorado Raptors 700 ![]() Registered Member ![]() Deep Dives Head Deep Dives CO
I initially didn't see the full extent of that top post and was going to say, "I appreciate the effort, but we don't count data towards the word count." GG though.
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