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(Deep Dive #2) The Kids Are Alright: A Look at Nevada's Rookie Third Line
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(This post was last modified: 05-12-2025, 04:13 PM by matt. Edited 1 time in total.)

The Nevada Battleborn’s season has largely been a disappointment this year. We’re 14th in the J with a .330 point percentage and a -91 goal differential. I don’t see much value in dwelling on the negatives of this situation; instead, I’m writing this to highlight one of the silver linings here in the desert. Our future is bright, and one of the groups embodying that future is our rookie third line.

At left wing, we’ve got Becky Fromm. Recreating after a dynamite career on San Francisco’s blueline, Nevada took veteran @BadWolf's new winger with the third overall pick. At center, it’s newcomer Joe Schmoe(that’s me!). I don’t have as storied a career as my linemates, but you can believe me when I say I’m ready to make one. Finally, at right wing, we have Valter Forsberg, @JustAnotherHockeyFan's recreate, another SF veteran, and a slam dunk steal of a round 3 pick. The three of us slotted in together on the third line, and, compared to other third lines across the league, we’re already looking very productive across every category. 

An important limitation of this data is that it only measures one point in time; we’ve been together on the third line all season, but that doesn’t mean other teams haven’t swapped theirs around. All of these measures are updated as of May 11th, and this is only comparing third line forwards to third line forwards, based on the index line listing. This excludes anything from defense or the first or second lines. I’ll post the full(loosely structured) data at the bottom, to make word-count tracking easier.

- In both goals and assists, we’re tied for ninth among third lines. The middle of both of those races is very tight; though tied for ninth, we’re only six away from being fourth in goals, and seven from fifth in assists.
- Overall, those numbers put us at 10th amongst the SMJHL’s third lines in points.
- Relative to the rest of the league, Nevada’s third line has chipped in fairly heavily on special teams; we’ve combined for thirteen power play points and eight shorties. That puts us in ties for second and first in the league, respectively.
- Hits are fun, and all three of us say so; we’re second there, only four hits behind first.
- Puck responsibility is easily the weakest point I measured here; we are second in giveaways, only four away from first. This high rate of turning over the puck could be a big contributor to our cumulative, miserable plus/minus(-88), but plus/minus is generally not all that reliable a measure for individual performance, particularly in a season as bad as the one we’re in the midst of. The Battleborn only have one positive player in that regard, mid-season waiver pickup Ryan Fishman.
- We’re fairly defensively responsible outside of that giveaway stat; we come in at eighth in takeaways and fifth in shots blocked.

So what’s the big deal here? I said the future was bright for this line, and then painted a picture of a middle-of-the-road performance, outside of the top five amongst third lines in every category except hits and shots blocked. How does that bode well for the future? The answer is in our applied TPE rank; amongst third lines in the J, Nevada’s is ranked fifteenth out of sixteen. This is a line that is outperforming their points spent in nearly every category, on a team that is generally having a down season. If we can turn things around in the coming years, Fromm/Schmoe/Forsberg is going to be a line to be feared.

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Data as of 5/11/25:
GOALS
Kelowna Knights 82
Vancouver Whalers 60
Carolina Kraken 55
Newfoundland Berserkers 44
Maine Timber 41
Yukon Malamutes 40
Great Falls Grizzlies 39
St. Louis Scarecrows 39
Quebec City Citadelles 38
Nevada Battleborn 38
Ottawa Highlanders 33
Thunder Bay Walleye 28
San Diego Tidal 26
Detroit Falcons 25
Anchorage Armada 24
Colorado Raptors 15


POINTS
Kelowna Knights 195
Vancouver Whalers 142
Newfoundland Berserkers 118
Carolina Kraken 115
Maine Timber 112
Yukon Malamutes 107
Great Falls Grizzlies 102
Quebec City Citadelles 101
St. Louis Scarecrows 100
Nevada Battleborn 98
Ottawa Highlanders 89
Detroit Falcons 78
San Diego Tidal 72
Anchorage Armada 71
Thunder Bay Walleye 70
Colorado Raptors 44


ASSISTS
Kelowna Knights 113
Vancouver Whalers 82
Newfoundland Berserkers 74
Maine Timber 71
Yukon Malamutes 67
Great Falls Grizzlies 63
Quebec City Citadelles 63
St. Louis Scarecrows 61
Nevada Battleborn 60
Carolina Kraken 60
Ottawa Highlanders 56
Detroit Falcons 53
Anchorage Armada 47
San Diego Tidal 46
Thunder Bay Walleye 42
Colorado Raptors 29


PPGOALS
Maine Timber 14
Carolina Kraken 4
Vancouver Whalers 4
Ottawa Highlanders 2
Nevada Battleborn 2
Kelowna Knights 2
Thunder Bay Walleye 1
Quebec City Citadelles 1
Newfoundland Berserkers 1
Anchorage Armada 1
San Diego Tidal 0
Great Falls Grizzlies 0
St. Louis Scarecrows 0
Detroit Falcons 0
Colorado Raptors 0
Yukon Malamutes 0


SHGOALS
Nevada Battleborn 4
Kelowna Knights 3
Yukon Malamutes 2
San Diego Tidal 1
Ottawa Highlanders 1
Carolina Kraken 1
Detroit Falcons 1
Newfoundland Berserkers 1
Vancouver Whalers 1
Anchorage Armada 1
Great Falls Grizzlies 0
Thunder Bay Walleye 0
Quebec City Citadelles 0
St. Louis Scarecrows 0
Colorado Raptors 0
Maine Timber 0


PPASSISTS
Maine Timber 21
Anchorage Armada 12
Nevada Battleborn 11
Vancouver Whalers 6
Kelowna Knights 5
Thunder Bay Walleye 3
Yukon Malamutes 3
Ottawa Highlanders 1
Quebec City Citadelles 1
Carolina Kraken 1
Colorado Raptors 1
San Diego Tidal 0
Great Falls Grizzlies 0
St. Louis Scarecrows 0
Detroit Falcons 0
Newfoundland Berserkers 0


PPPOINTS
Maine Timber 35
Nevada Battleborn 13
Anchorage Armada 13
Vancouver Whalers 10
Kelowna Knights 7
Carolina Kraken 5
Thunder Bay Walleye 4
Ottawa Highlanders 3
Yukon Malamutes 3
Quebec City Citadelles 2
Colorado Raptors 1
Newfoundland Berserkers 1
San Diego Tidal 0
Great Falls Grizzlies 0
St. Louis Scarecrows 0
Detroit Falcons 0


SHASSISTS
Kelowna Knights 5
Nevada Battleborn 4
St. Louis Scarecrows 4
Ottawa Highlanders 3
Newfoundland Berserkers 2
Great Falls Grizzlies 1
Quebec City Citadelles 1
Vancouver Whalers 1
San Diego Tidal 0
Thunder Bay Walleye 0
Carolina Kraken 0
Detroit Falcons 0
Colorado Raptors 0
Yukon Malamutes 0
Maine Timber 0
Anchorage Armada 0


SHPOINTS
Nevada Battleborn 8
Kelowna Knights 8
Ottawa Highlanders 4
St. Louis Scarecrows 4
Newfoundland Berserkers 3
Yukon Malamutes 2
Vancouver Whalers 2
San Diego Tidal 1
Great Falls Grizzlies 1
Quebec City Citadelles 1
Carolina Kraken 1
Detroit Falcons 1
Anchorage Armada 1
Thunder Bay Walleye 0
Colorado Raptors 0
Maine Timber 0


GWG
St. Louis Scarecrows 10
Great Falls Grizzlies 9
Kelowna Knights 9
Quebec City Citadelles 7
Carolina Kraken 6
Vancouver Whalers 6
Ottawa Highlanders 5
Nevada Battleborn 5
Yukon Malamutes 5
Newfoundland Berserkers 5
Maine Timber 5
San Diego Tidal 4
Anchorage Armada 2
Thunder Bay Walleye 1
Detroit Falcons 1
Colorado Raptors 1


HITS
Maine Timber 379
Nevada Battleborn 375
St. Louis Scarecrows 368
Kelowna Knights 366
Quebec City Citadelles 358
Great Falls Grizzlies 342
Anchorage Armada 317
Newfoundland Berserkers 313
Ottawa Highlanders 308
Vancouver Whalers 306
Detroit Falcons 293
Colorado Raptors 267
Carolina Kraken 255
Yukon Malamutes 230
Thunder Bay Walleye 228
San Diego Tidal 204


GIVEAWAYS
Ottawa Highlanders 171
Nevada Battleborn 167
Vancouver Whalers 152
Kelowna Knights 148
St. Louis Scarecrows 146
Anchorage Armada 146
Quebec City Citadelles 128
San Diego Tidal 127
Carolina Kraken 124
Detroit Falcons 124
Maine Timber 124
Colorado Raptors 120
Great Falls Grizzlies 116
Newfoundland Berserkers 114
Yukon Malamutes 110
Thunder Bay Walleye 89


TAKEAWAYS
Kelowna Knights 112
Vancouver Whalers 87
Quebec City Citadelles 86
Maine Timber 86
Detroit Falcons 83
Great Falls Grizzlies 79
Ottawa Highlanders 76
Nevada Battleborn 74
Thunder Bay Walleye 70
San Diego Tidal 68
Newfoundland Berserkers 65
Carolina Kraken 64
St. Louis Scarecrows 62
Colorado Raptors 48
Yukon Malamutes 42
Anchorage Armada 41


SHOTSBLOCKED
Thunder Bay Walleye 127
Ottawa Highlanders 99
Detroit Falcons 92
Kelowna Knights 92
Nevada Battleborn 89
Colorado Raptors 86
Carolina Kraken 85
Maine Timber 82
Anchorage Armada 78
San Diego Tidal 77
Quebec City Citadelles 63
Yukon Malamutes 61
Newfoundland Berserkers 60
Vancouver Whalers 59
Great Falls Grizzlies 57
St. Louis Scarecrows 39


SHOTSONGOAL
Kelowna Knights 462
Vancouver Whalers 348
St. Louis Scarecrows 336
Quebec City Citadelles 326
Carolina Kraken 322
Nevada Battleborn 304
Maine Timber 294
Ottawa Highlanders 282
Great Falls Grizzlies 280
Detroit Falcons 243
Newfoundland Berserkers 233
Yukon Malamutes 200
Anchorage Armada 199
Thunder Bay Walleye 177
San Diego Tidal 175
Colorado Raptors 172


TPE
Kelowna Knights 1080
Maine Timber 988
Great Falls Grizzlies 937
Vancouver Whalers 911
Ottawa Highlanders 894
San Diego Tidal 891
Carolina Kraken 852
Yukon Malamutes 823
St. Louis Scarecrows 799
Anchorage Armada 795
Newfoundland Berserkers 780
Thunder Bay Walleye 766
Detroit Falcons 758
Quebec City Citadelles 745
Nevada Battleborn 734
Colorado Raptors 700
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WOOOO GO RAMS!!! Super well researched, great deep dive!



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I initially didn't see the full extent of that top post and was going to say, "I appreciate the effort, but we don't count data towards the word count." GG though.

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Safe to say this will get a Spheal of approval +5 TPE

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