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ArGarBarGar · 01-04-2017, 03:29 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jan 4 2017, 02:26 PM
The one thing I don't get about this discussion is that people claim that they want to keep contract talks interesting and don't want to limit GMs options by adjusting salaries, but at the same time they are totally fine with severely limiting their options by implementing super strict maximum contract lengths that make contract talks super boring.

Is less than 10 seasons super strict?

That's like two real-time years.

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*Zoone16* · 01-04-2017, 03:32 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jan 4 2017, 02:26 PM
The one thing I don't get about this discussion is that people claim that they want to keep contract talks interesting and don't want to limit GMs options by adjusting salaries, but at the same time they are totally fine with severely limiting their options by implementing super strict maximum contract lengths that make contract talks super boring.

When certain people are taking way below what is "normal" there is a fundamental issue. We're talking "Crosby/Ovechkin taking $1M/ssn for 20 yrs" kind of crazy. There needs to be a minimum per TPE level to some extent.

Though I would argue that if you signed a contract for multiple years and you go from TPE level 1 to TPE level 3, then it's fine. But when it comes to the next contract you should be negotiating from the level 3 baseline.

.bojo · 01-04-2017, 03:37 PM

Idea throw: Maybe a simpler solution of just raising the min salary across the board. Add $1m to each tier. Max salary of 6 seasons.

Grapehead · 01-04-2017, 03:37 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Kevin "Juice" Bieksa@Jan 4 2017, 03:24 PM

because you're limiting activity as a result from it.

Once you get to the 1000-1500 TPE range, its safe to stop getting TPE because your player should be where you want him, there's no point to be Eggy or Argar who want 2000+ TPE. A team that is that active should be rewarded in the sim and such.

How is that different than tomen not collecting tpe so he could sign for a lower minimum contract?

Circumvention is always going to be a thing. At least capping tpe addresses the actual thing we seem to be worried about. No system will be perfect though.

Grapehead · 01-04-2017, 03:38 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Zoone16@Jan 4 2017, 03:32 PM

When certain people are taking way below what is "normal" there is a fundamental issue. We're talking "Crosby/Ovechkin taking $1M/ssn for 20 yrs" kind of crazy. There needs to be a minimum per TPE level to some extent.

Though I would argue that if you signed a contract for multiple years and you go from TPE level 1 to TPE level 3, then it's fine. But when it comes to the next contract you should be negotiating from the level 3 baseline.

Exactly

Sorator · 01-04-2017, 03:41 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Jan 4 2017, 01:37 PM
Idea throw: Maybe a simpler solution of just raising the min salary across the board. Add $1m to each tier. Max salary of 6 seasons.

Max length seems like a good idea.

Not sure what raising the min salary accomplishes. I suppose that's similar to lowering the cap. I don't have strong feelings about it.

Still need to do something about the folks with ridiculous contracts right now. Also, adding another tier isn't a bad idea in addition to this.

ArGarBarGar · 01-04-2017, 03:42 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Jan 4 2017, 02:37 PM
Idea throw: Maybe a simpler solution of just raising the min salary across the board. Add $1m to each tier. Max salary of 6 seasons.

Maybe? What does this do to the original proposal? Scrap it and lead with this?

Also would prefer 8 seasons over 6.

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*Zoone16* · 01-04-2017, 03:43 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Jan 4 2017, 02:37 PM
Idea throw: Maybe a simpler solution of just raising the min salary across the board. Add $1m to each tier. Max salary of 6 seasons.

Max years = 6 ssns
If you're re-signing with the team you're on = 8 ssns

(kinda like how the NHL does it now)

*Tomen* · 01-04-2017, 03:46 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Zoone16@Jan 4 2017, 08:43 PM

Max years = 6 ssns
If you're re-signing with the team you're on = 8 ssns

(kinda like how the NHL does it now)

I personally would like 6 seasons because that is the mark at which the hometown discount was set at.

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.bojo · 01-04-2017, 03:47 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jan 4 2017, 02:42 PM
Maybe? What does this do to the original proposal? Scrap it and lead with this?

Also would prefer 8 seasons over 6.

Just thinking out loud.

The raised minimum would help combat players taking too little.

Max contracts help combat taking little for too long.

And, maybe within the first three seasons you can't extend for more than three seasons, to prevent doing max seasons too early for very little.

Pandar · 01-04-2017, 03:47 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jan 4 2017, 02:42 PM

Maybe? What does this do to the original proposal? Scrap it and lead with this?

Also would prefer 8 seasons over 6.

With the addition of a 1300 TPE tier, 8 seasons would still allow moderately active people to gain about 1200 TPE, meaning they could go from Tier 1 to Tier 6 on one contract. It wouldn't do anything to make the salary cap relevant IMO, without contract scaling.

RomanesEuntDomus · 01-04-2017, 03:50 PM

The thing is that all these additional proposals would open new possible loopholes and avenues for cap circumvention, which is the very thing that we aimed to combat with these changes. The only way to reliable prevent this by adjusting contracts when someone hits a new tier. It doesn't limit GMs options nearly as much as people make it sound either, unless not having a bunch of franchise players at $1M or $2M is what you consider too restrictive and limiting.

ArGarBarGar · 01-04-2017, 03:51 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Jan 4 2017, 02:50 PM
The thing is that all these additional proposals would open new possible loopholes and avenues for cap circumvention, which is the very thing that we aimed to combat with these changes. The only way to reliable prevent this by adjusting contracts when someone hits a new tier. It doesn't limit GMs options nearly as much as people make it sound either, unless not having a bunch of franchise players at $1M or $2M is what you consider too restrictive and limiting.

What loopholes?

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sytarah · 01-04-2017, 03:58 PM

so my AAV is larger then a 1000-1299 TPE player. sweet

thanks argar

Pandar · 01-04-2017, 03:59 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jan 4 2017, 02:51 PM

What loopholes?

Well, what I just pointed out for example, where you can go from the lowest tier to the highest tier under one contract if the max length is . Get to the upper edge of Tier 3, sign a Tier 3 contract for 6-8 seasons, and spend half or more of that time at the top tier while being paid less than half as much as your current tier.

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