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.bojo · 01-04-2017, 04:37 PM

It's not just NEW, fwiw. Lots of teams do it including myself. I'm signed for a long time at 2m. Which is great for me as a GM, but I understand it's not... realistic.

Wally · 01-04-2017, 04:42 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Jan 4 2017, 02:37 PM
It's not just NEW, fwiw. Lots of teams do it including myself. I'm signed for a long time at 2m. Which is great for me as a GM, but I understand it's not... realistic.

I think I have an GM friendly contract in there too lol

Eggy216 · 01-04-2017, 04:42 PM

Quote:Originally posted by BuildTheWall@Jan 4 2017, 04:18 PM

But what's wrong with what NEW has done? I'm their biggest hater, but I'd think GMs should be aspiring to emulate their model-  getting players to buy into their system and take discounts to build a dynasty.

Appreciate it.

I'll build a wall around Boston in your honor.

Merica · 01-04-2017, 04:45 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Eggy Nog@Jan 4 2017, 03:42 PM

Appreciate it.

I'll build a wall around Boston in your honor.

Walls are good. This will secure your franchises success for even longer.

Phobospwns · 01-04-2017, 04:48 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Wally@Jan 4 2017, 03:25 PM
Just playing devils advocate... but why can't GMs, like myself, try and replicate their success? If they can do what they have done, why can't every other team? Why do I need to change the rules to create that same model in Portland but with less rainbows and unicorns everywhere. I just think I need to work harder at closing the gap internally, than look for the league to bring New England back to the playing field.

If it were that easy, a team like BUF wouldn't be stuck sucking for so long.

A solid salary cap system doesn't prevent teams from jumping out and being stand outs as a rule... it just makes it harder to do so. Look at the NFL, one of the best leagues regarding salary cap structure, there's still a number of dominant teams that have persisted... but at least the bad teams have a chance to make a ripple- every year there's a team that goes from worst in their division to the best.

Let's take this away from just NEW. Let's look at the conference finals over the past few years:

West:
S31: Blizzard vs. Riot
S30: Blizzard vs. Dragons
S29: Blizzard vs. Dragons
S28: Blizzard vs. Jets

East:
S31: Northstars vs. Wolfpack
S30: Platoon vs. Wolfpack
S29: Northstars vs. Steelhawks
S28: Platoon vs. Steelhawks

Ok, so out of a total of 16 possible slots over those 4 years in both conf finals, we've got merely 8 teams repeated in a 14 team league. Ya know what'd be better and more exciting? Seeing that number at 10, or 12.

Who were the bottom 2 teams in those years?

S31: Jets, Steelhawks
S30: Admirals, Steelhawks
S29: Panthers, Stampede
S28: Admirals, Stampede

8 possible spots, 4 teams combining to be the worst year in, year out. The Stampede never finished higher than 12th in the league overall. The Admirals were never better than 11th.

Obviously it's not as simple as "just try to do what they did" to replicate what NEW and EDM have done... for the players on those 6 teams who haven't been past the 1st round of the playoffs in over 4 years, it's pretty beat- and especially to play for lowly Buffalo or Portland. As a player, why would you ever leave your successful team to go to one of those teams? With a good salary cap system- GMs will be forced to cut players loose, and players will filter down to those lower tier teams. A better cap system brings NEW and EDM back to the pack, and catches BUF and POR back up to it, and creates a more fun, more challenging environment for players and GMs alike.

PS - this made me really appreciate the Blizzard's run. Damn.

Muerto · 01-04-2017, 04:51 PM

I agree with the minimum tiers

I don't agree with auto-bumping the salary if a player goes into a new TPE tier

I would put a max on contract length, and make it like 3 seasons per contract max, that way you won't get rookies signing 15 year deals and still making 2M when they are 1500 TPE. Those discount deals are one of the ways you can open up salary cap to try and land a big FA.

ArGarBarGar · 01-04-2017, 04:51 PM

Quote:East:
S31: Northstars vs. Wolfpack
S30: Platoon vs. Wolfpack
S29: Northstars vs. Steelhawks
S28: Platoon vs. Steelhawks

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Wally · 01-04-2017, 04:57 PM

Well shit <a href='index.php?showuser=2206' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Phobospwns</a>

Cant wait to turn that page and not being mentioned in the same sentence as Buffalo. Damn... really know how to kick a dude when he's down. Lol... calling all FAs... help.

Phobospwns · 01-04-2017, 05:00 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Muerto@Jan 4 2017, 03:51 PM
I agree with the minimum tiers

I don't agree with auto-bumping the salary if a player goes into a new TPE tier

I would put a max on contract length, and make it like 3 seasons per contract max, that way you won't get rookies signing 15 year deals and still making 2M when they are 1500 TPE. Those discount deals are one of the ways you can open up salary cap to try and land a big FA.

Well... a 3 year min contract, and forcing new contracts to be at the respective TPE tier would effectively do the same thing as annual contract bumps, and it would be less work. That said, I'm sure the people commenting on "creativity of negotiations" wouldn't be a fan of it, though.

Both annual adjustments and a very short max length work, it's just a matter of how you want to go about it. Personally, I like the annual bump, because a 3 year max length just feels... cheesy. But, it's not a bad thought, tbh.

Ghost · 01-04-2017, 05:01 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Muerto@Jan 4 2017, 01:51 PM
I agree with the minimum tiers

I don't agree with auto-bumping the salary if a player goes into a new TPE tier

I would put a max on contract length, and make it like 3 seasons per contract max, that way you won't get rookies signing 15 year deals and still making 2M when they are 1500 TPE. Those discount deals are one of the ways you can open up salary cap to try and land a big FA.

I agree..don't think auto bumping is the answer. Maybe make the first contract 3 seasons and if you resign you're able to sign for up to 5 seasons as your hometown discount. I don't really see any way that having a minimum cap will hurt, I don't do graphics and an extra million or 2 salary means I don't need to put out as many articles each season and I'm sure there are enough people with the same mindset as me that it won't always be minimum contracts no matter what

Phobospwns · 01-04-2017, 05:03 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Wally@Jan 4 2017, 03:57 PM
Well shit <a href='index.php?showuser=2206' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Phobospwns</a>

Cant wait to turn that page and not being mentioned in the same sentence as Buffalo. Damn... really know how to kick a dude when he's down. Lol... calling all FAs... help.

ha! I had no idea which team you were the GM of, believe it or not.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a few mid tier FAs out there for you to try snatching up rather than having them all take their "hometown discounts" on their 15 year contracts so you've never even got a chance?

Wouldn't it be nice to have some of the titans in the league out of the running for a good FA because they've retained their own star talent, and can't afford to bid on other players?

That's a good thing for the league.

Phobospwns · 01-04-2017, 05:04 PM

The goal of any salary cap reform should be to eliminate the term "hometown discount" entirely. Kill it.

Ghost · 01-04-2017, 05:09 PM

Wouldn't having a cap floor eliminate lots of these issues?

.bojo · 01-04-2017, 05:16 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Kaisonious@Jan 4 2017, 04:09 PM
Wouldn't having a cap floor eliminate lots of these issues?

I don't believe so, without a maximum contract, which is something we want to avoid.

Phobospwns · 01-04-2017, 05:17 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Kaisonious@Jan 4 2017, 04:09 PM
Wouldn't having a cap floor eliminate lots of these issues?

Not really... at least not fully. That would mostly force the weak teams to pay their players more. That'd be good for the players (more $$ for us), but it wouldn't really impact the league by making it harder to keep a number of the best players on one team for long periods of time.

If you had a very narrow band between the floor and the max, you'd reduce the room to hand out big contracts, so it might work a little... maybe you'd miss out on signing a big FA once a year or something. I just don't think that's as good as approach as what's already been discussed.

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