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Eggy216 · 01-09-2017, 03:38 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ThatDamnWalrus@Jan 9 2017, 03:23 PM
I'm fine with the added tiers, the rest is stupid.

This

crutch · 01-09-2017, 03:39 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Eggy Nog@Jan 9 2017, 12:38 PM

This

ok why eggy

ThatDamnWalrus · 01-09-2017, 03:39 PM

So what about casual players who stick around only for their friends in the LR who now have to be pushed off the team because they can't take lower contracts to stay? Why do they stay? We just let them go inactive?

Also players who take low contracts in the first place have to contribute so much to the site in terms of media/graphics/jobs to be able to remain competitive in TPE. Forcing players to take more money will only decrease the amount of people willing to do these things.

All these changes do is punish good GM's while rewarding bad ones. Trying to create a forced parity is only going to hurt the league more.

prettyburn · 01-09-2017, 03:39 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MWHazard@Jan 9 2017, 02:37 PM
Ok, so right now I could extend for my tier's minimum, but whatever I sign for in the "outyears" (post-adjustment) will be adjusted up if necessary dependent upon the TPE I earn between now and then.

Yeah, for simplicity's sake I think we'll be planning to adjust all contracts rather than breaking them down by signing date.

Eggy216 · 01-09-2017, 03:40 PM

Quote:Originally posted by CRUTCHFIELD@Jan 9 2017, 03:39 PM

ok why eggy

I'm on my phone on campus I'll say more later

Pandar · 01-09-2017, 03:40 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MWHazard@Jan 9 2017, 02:37 PM

Ok, so right now I could extend for my tier's minimum, but whatever I sign for in the "outyears" (post-adjustment) will be adjusted up if necessary dependent upon the TPE I earn between now and then.

Correct. In the off-sesaon between S33 and S34, your contract would be adjusted up to the minimum tier of your TPE level at the time of adjustment.

crutch · 01-09-2017, 03:40 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Eggy Nog@Jan 9 2017, 12:40 PM

I'm on my phone on campus I'll say more later

ok ty bb

prettyburn · 01-09-2017, 03:40 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ThatDamnWalrus@Jan 9 2017, 02:39 PM
So what about casual players who stick around only for their friends in the LR who now have to be pushed off the team because they can't take lower contracts to stay? We just let them go inactive?

All these changes do is punish good GM's while rewarding bad ones. Trying to create a forced parity is only going to hurt the league more.

Casual players are probably not the highest tier players anyway. Alternately, casual players are the ones who currently take $4M rather than $2M contracts so that they can train occasionally even when they don't make money.

MWHazard · 01-09-2017, 03:45 PM

In general I'm supportive of the changes, which is why I voted yes.

Specifically, my edits would be:

-Retain the hometown discount for players that have entered regression. I think this would be a fair compromise between those that would like it eliminated entirely and those who want it to stay the same. Taking a discount near the end of your player's career due to loyalty to a franchise such that the franchise can afford to pay younger players while still keeping vets around that they like seems very much in the spirit of such a mechanism.
-I would personally rather see the adjustment (if these changes are adopted) be implemented for this offseason. Why so quickly? While the initial jolt is a factor, negotiating extensions in this offseason is going to be a bit weird, given the adjustment that will have to be estimated. I think the timing lag again creates a weird incentive for players that are on the cusp of a higher tier to hold off on earning TPE. Rip the bandaid off now, rather than gradually. If things were implemented this offseason, the cap adjustment would need to apply now as well.

ArGarBarGar · 01-09-2017, 03:46 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ThatDamnWalrus@Jan 9 2017, 02:39 PM
So what about casual players who stick around only for their friends in the LR who now have to be pushed off the team because they can't take lower contracts to stay? Why do they stay? We just let them go inactive?

Also players who take low contracts in the first place have to contribute so much to the site in terms of media/graphics/jobs to be able to remain competitive in TPE. Forcing players to take more money will only decrease the amount of people willing to do these things.

All these changes do is punish good GM's while rewarding bad ones. Trying to create a forced parity is only going to hurt the league more.

Please demonstrate to me where players are going to get pushed off their favorite teams.

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Phobospwns · 01-09-2017, 03:47 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ThatDamnWalrus@Jan 9 2017, 02:39 PM
So what about casual players who stick around only for their friends in the LR who now have to be pushed off the team because they can't take lower contracts to stay? Why do they stay? We just let them go inactive?

All these changes do is punish good GM's while rewarding bad ones. Trying to create a forced parity is only going to hurt the league more.

Sure, it's possible that players will be "pushed off", but how many teams will be over with this adjustment? Aside from the dramatic fact that it could happen, will it actually happen (this is an actual question, not me being a jackass for the sake of it)? How high are these "casual" players going to get TPE wise?

This FO is offering a buyout time for big contracts as it is- the so called "good" GM's should be able to demonstrate the foresight to get their players under the cap. "Bad" GMs will still have to compete for higher TPE actives just as they'd have to anyway, if not with the top teams, then with the mid-tier teams.

ArGarBarGar · 01-09-2017, 03:50 PM

Not sure why the retiring clause was even thrown in there. Was never really discussed and will poison the well with regards to this proposal.

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MWHazard · 01-09-2017, 03:54 PM

Another edit:

Perhaps 1.4 could be adjusted to: "If a player retires before their contract is finished, with at least two seasons remaining their team will take a cap hit each season equal to 1/3 of the player's salary for that season." That allows a one-season grace period for players who decide to retire earlier than expected, in a manner that the rule is not intended to punish. 1.4 appears to be intended to discourage GMs from signing players above Tier 4 (no max contract limit) to absurdly long contracts (Kovalchuk-style) that they don't plan on playing out. Obviously 1.2 has the HO's discretionary clause, but I think that punishing GMs for signing late-stage players to, say, a four season deal and then seeing them retire after three. Taking a cap penalty for that seems out of sync with the intent here.

Sorator · 01-09-2017, 03:55 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MWHazard@Jan 9 2017, 01:45 PM
In general I'm supportive of the changes, which is why I voted yes.

Specifically, my edits would be:

-Retain the hometown discount for players that have entered regression. I think this would be a fair compromise between those that would like it eliminated entirely and those who want it to stay the same. Taking a discount near the end of your player's career due to loyalty to a franchise such that the franchise can afford to pay younger players while still keeping vets around that they like seems very much in the spirit of such a mechanism.
-I would personally rather see the adjustment (if these changes are adopted) be implemented for this offseason. Why so quickly? While the initial jolt is a factor, negotiating extensions in this offseason is going to be a bit weird, given the adjustment that will have to be estimated. I think the timing lag again creates a weird incentive for players that are on the cusp of a higher tier to hold off on earning TPE. Rip the bandaid off now, rather than gradually. If things were implemented this offseason, the cap adjustment would need to apply now as well.

I like these ideas.

My only concern with the second one is that it may be tricky to get everything organized in time, but that may not be a significant obstacle.

kit · 01-09-2017, 03:58 PM

Quote:Originally posted by prettyburn@Jan 9 2017, 01:40 PM

[b]Casual players are probably not the highest tier players anyway. Alternately, casual players are the ones who currently take $4M rather than $2M contracts so that they can train occasionally even when they don't make money.[/b]

i didnt read ahead so this mightve gotten said but this isnt true. I was casual most of my shl career and (humblebrag) was one of the highest tier defenders throughout a lot of my career

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