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ACapitalChicago · 06-12-2020, 05:04 PM

06-12-2020, 04:52 PMCampinKiller Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:49 PMACapitalChicago Wrote: ...

'Being racist is just as bad as not wanting there to be any racists', but you're not excusing racism. Okay.

There's a difference between not wanting any racists and wanting people who are racist to just commit suicide. You know, instead of educating them, or any number of options that don't include summary execution. Evidently that's too hard for you to comprehend though, gotta just start killing people.

Educating people is one thing, but to assume that should always be the step forward is to be ignorant of contextual and historical evidence surrounding the circumstances. This isn't a conversation about things like "X is better than Y", this is about people who would uphold the oppression of entire groups of people solely based upon the color of their skin.

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ACapitalChicago · 06-12-2020, 05:05 PM

06-12-2020, 05:03 PMスウェグキング Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:59 PMACapitalChicago Wrote: To equivalate these is to again, uphold arguments specifically made to excuse racist behavior. if you can't understand that idk what to tell you.

No? Excusing it would be to say that it's okay to be racist, 2 fucked up wrongs doesn't make a right. I didn't see a lot of people defending Ruutu and the others in the threads, the absolute majority condemned it, but only one called for him to commit suicide.

People should probably be more up in arms about the fucked up racist behavior not being punished instead of the fucked up calling for suicide being punished.

Well, at the very least we can agree that the fucked up racist behavior deserved its own punishment, and potentially that it's damning of the SHL to not have regulations against such behavior.

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***CampinKiller*** · 06-12-2020, 05:06 PM

06-12-2020, 04:59 PMACapitalChicago Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:52 PMスウェグキング Wrote: The point is that you dont tell people to kill themselves PERIOD. if you can't understand that idk what to tell you. Nobody is excusing racism, both racists and people who tell others to kill themselves are fucking scum.

To equivalate these is to again, uphold arguments specifically made to excuse racist behavior. if you can't understand that idk what to tell you.

Nobody in this thread is defending racist behavior. They ARE equivalently bad behavior.

Racism is being prejudiced towards someone based on their color of skin, ethnicity, etc.
Telling someone to kill themselves is wanting someone to end their own life.

Suicide and racial problems are issues that are equally bad, especially in the US. 123 people kill themselves every day in the US. Mental health is a serious problem in the US. Wishing for people to kill themselves is a far cry from "I want there to be less racists." You know how you do that? Education and understanding, not "kill yourself."

DELIRIVM · 06-12-2020, 05:09 PM

06-12-2020, 04:45 PMjRuutu Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:28 PMDELIRIVM Wrote: While I agree that a lot of racists are just ignorant and uninformed that doesn't excuse their actions. But there are people who are intentionally racist. So I stand behind what you said fully. Racism is not welcome here and should be a permaban. You did what you did in the name of what is right and much respect for taking the punishment the site gave to you. I think it was probably hard for those that made the decision because you can't let anything go and risk a slippery slope happening. But glad to see you back and big support from me.
And still I´m here and your brave fighter was the one who got a suspension. What does that tell you? Could it be possible that I´m indeed not a racist?

Honestly I'm surprised you weren't banned for a month.

jRuutu · 06-12-2020, 05:11 PM

06-12-2020, 05:09 PMDELIRIVM Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:45 PMjRuutu Wrote: And still I´m here and your brave fighter was the one who got a suspension. What does that tell you? Could it be possible that I´m indeed not a racist?

Honestly I'm surprised you weren't banned for a month.

Why? I did not call anybody names or use bad words.

Samsung virtual assistant · 06-12-2020, 05:11 PM

I'm guessing @Baelor Swift s discussion with him and trying to educate him and him actually seeing reason played a big part in there not being a suspension.

DELIRIVM · 06-12-2020, 05:14 PM

06-12-2020, 05:11 PMjRuutu Wrote:
06-12-2020, 05:09 PMDELIRIVM Wrote: Honestly I'm surprised you weren't banned for a month.
Why? I did not call anybody names or use bad words.

Bad words and name calling isn't the only way to be racist. Amy Cooper didn't call names but she was racist af.

Just like @sköldpaddorsaid. Denying systematic racism is racism in itself.

jRuutu · 06-12-2020, 05:19 PM

06-12-2020, 05:14 PMDELIRIVM Wrote:
06-12-2020, 05:11 PMjRuutu Wrote: Why? I did not call anybody names or use bad words.

Bad words and name calling isn't the only way to be racist. Amy Cooper didn't call names but she was racist af.

Just like @sköldpaddorsaid. Denying systematic racism is racism in itself.

In a online forum those two go long way though.

PremierBromanov · 06-12-2020, 05:21 PM

For the record, I'm not anyone's champion and i never claimed to be brave. I said what i said because I wanted to say it because I'm tired of people like that. We shouldn't have to educate anyone about systemic racism. The burden is on them, to give the benefit of the doubt to people's suffering. To eliminate your own prejudices and investigate what's happening. And I'm just tired of it. Plenty of good people on this Earth, no use wasting energy on those who don't deserve it

***CampinKiller*** · 06-12-2020, 05:26 PM

06-12-2020, 05:21 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: Plenty of good people on this Earth, no use wasting energy on those who don't deserve it

Well that's a charming line of thought

*Katth* · 06-12-2020, 05:28 PM

06-12-2020, 04:37 PMCampinKiller Wrote: The fact that people are defending someone telling someone else to kill themselves is appalling to me. That’s not some “brave stand.” That’s being just as big of a shitbag as the person you’re saying it to

This.

And saying disrespect the Police is just as bad as saying a whole ethnic group is bad because of a few bad apples...

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charlieconway · 06-12-2020, 05:31 PM

06-12-2020, 04:52 PMztevans Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:47 PMcharlieconway Wrote:

Yes, it absolutely is. Telling someone to die is bad. This isn't a hot take.

Especially considering all the attention (Deservedly! Rightfully!) drawn to initiatives re: mental health on this site for as long as I've been a member, this doesn't feel like a reach.

A racist denying the historic systemic oppression of a race of people and someone telling that racist to kill themselves are not equally bad. The former is worse. I don't really understand why that's up for debate?

jRuutu · 06-12-2020, 05:33 PM

06-12-2020, 05:21 PMPremierBromanov Wrote: For the record, I'm not anyone's champion and i never claimed to be brave. I said what i said because I wanted to say it because I'm tired of people like that. We shouldn't have to educate anyone about systemic racism. The burden is on them, to give the benefit of the doubt to people's suffering. To eliminate your own prejudices and investigate what's happening. And I'm just tired of it. Plenty of good people on this Earth, no use wasting energy on those who don't deserve it

And you are right, not everybody deserve a benefit of a doubt and/or energy being poured on them to change their mind.

Do you know what is the difference between me and you, difference between me and quite few in this thread? You claim to be so progressive and ´good people´, but that does not stop you from coming down to the level where you claim that I am as a person.

You pretend to be so much better, but what you don´t realize is that you are just as or maybe even more flawed than I am.

***CampinKiller*** · 06-12-2020, 05:33 PM

06-12-2020, 05:31 PMcharlieconway Wrote:
06-12-2020, 04:52 PMztevans Wrote: Yes, it absolutely is. Telling someone to die is bad. This isn't a hot take.

Especially considering all the attention (Deservedly! Rightfully!) drawn to initiatives re: mental health on this site for as long as I've been a member, this doesn't feel like a reach.
A racist denying the historic systemic oppression of a race of people and someone telling that racist to kill themselves are not equally bad. The former is worse. I don't really understand why that's up for debate?

You could read the previous 2 pages and discover why it's equally bad

charlieconway · 06-12-2020, 05:37 PM

06-12-2020, 05:33 PMCampinKiller Wrote:
06-12-2020, 05:31 PMcharlieconway Wrote: A racist denying the historic systemic oppression of a race of people and someone telling that racist to kill themselves are not equally bad. The former is worse. I don't really understand why that's up for debate?

You could read the previous 2 pages and discover why it's equally bad

That wouldn't help, because there's nothing there that can convince me that being a racist and being offensive to a racist are in the same league. It's a terrible way to approach this situation.

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