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That's right Chris I've always been watching!
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That's right Chris I've always been watching!
I love ya my buddy!
I can't wait for your new player! B)
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I love ya my buddy!
I can't wait for your new player! B)
Slowly letting Cant die to get there.
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Slowly letting Cant die to get there.
Come back to Minny before you decompose, please.
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
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S20, S21, S36 Challenge Cup Champion with a Hung Unit
Quote: Originally posted by Tanner @Aug 12 2016, 10:36 PM
"BACK IN MY DAY WE GOT TWO MINUTES A GAME AND WE [b]LIKED IT!"
-Grandpa Gibbon, probably[/b]
gibby played a season where his only spot in the lineup was on the second pk unit.. no 5v5 time
Bumping this thread.
S30: 18 players PPG+ (compared to 7 in S27 and 13 in S28)
2 players reaching/passing the previous record for most points in a season
5 defenseman PPG+ (compared to only a couple times in the last 6 seasons)
S31 (pace): 23 players PPG+
4 players passing S30 record for most points in a season
7 defenseman PPG+
With the way point inflation in the league has been occuring, do we make these last couple of years the beginning of a new point era? Or do we keep going with the current era and have just about every scoring record be shattered?
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
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Quote: Originally posted by ArGarBarGar @Oct 19 2016, 10:29 AM
Bumping this thread.
S30: 18 players PPG+ (compared to 7 in S27 and 13 in S28)
2 players reaching/passing the previous record for most points in a season
5 defenseman PPG+ (compared to only a couple times in the last 6 seasons)
S31 (pace): 23 players PPG+
4 players passing S30 record for most points in a season
7 defenseman PPG+
With the way point inflation in the league has been occuring, do we make these last couple of years the beginning of a new point era? Or do we keep going with the current era and have just about every scoring record be shattered?
Nah, too many eras. Get <a href='index.php?showuser=232' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-24'>JayWhy</a> to change the sliders again
More points is a good thing
Quote: Originally posted by Gifter of Bikes @Oct 19 2016, 11:52 AM
More points is a good thing
I'm fine with that as long as we do a proper job of establishing eras so that previous records under different circumstances are acknowledged. With this being the second season in a row (some of what we saw in S29 but to a much lesser degree) where points are incredibly high, it does seem like a different scoring era that will need to be recognized and I do think we should recognize it as such.
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
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Quote: Originally posted by ArGarBarGar @Oct 19 2016, 10:55 AM
I'm fine with that as long as we do a proper job of establishing eras so that previous records under different circumstances are acknowledged. With this being the second season in a row (some of what we saw in S29 but to a much lesser degree) where points are incredibly high, it does seem like a different scoring era that will need to be recognized and I do think we should recognize it as such.
Why? There's no such thing in real life. A record is a record. While Gretzky/Lemieux played in a different 'era' their records and ridiculous feats are still just that, records.
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Quote: Originally posted by GoodLeftUndone @Oct 19 2016, 11:09 AM
Why? There's no such thing in real life. A record is a record. While Gretzky/Lemieux played in a different 'era' their records and ridiculous feats are still just that, records.
I'd agree if we weren't already establishing eras prior
Quote: Originally posted by GoodLeftUndone @Oct 19 2016, 12:09 PM
Why? There's no such thing in real life. A record is a record. While Gretzky/Lemieux played in a different 'era' their records and ridiculous feats are still just that, records.
We already have eras, and I think it is interesting to see which players had the best seasons in different circumstances.
Either get rid of eras, or keep being accurate to those eras. I'm not sure that is a ridiculous request.
Alonzo Garbanzo Final Tallies (Among Defensemen):
2nd in Goals (208),
All-Time Assists Leader (765)*,
All-Time Points Leader (973), 3rd in Hits (2587),
All-Time Blocked Shots Leader (1882)*
*All-Time Leader Among All Skaters
Player Profile |
Update Thread
Alonzo Garbanzo (Retired) | D | Minnesota Chiefs
Age: 41
Height: 6'1"
Weight: 185 lbs
Number: 2
Player Type: TWD
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 40 | G: 8 | A: 21 | P: 29 | +/-: +13 | SB: 62
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S20)
MTL | GP: 6 | G: 0 | A: 2 | P: 2 | +/-: -2 | SB: 9
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S21-S43)
MIN | GP: 1158 | G: 200 | A: 750 | P: 950 | +/-: Even | HIT: 2538 | SB: 1807
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SHL Playoff Statistics (S21-S41)
MIN | GP: 139 | G: 20 | A: 89 | P: 109 | +/-: -19 | HIT: 291 | SB: 234
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IIHF Statistics (S21-S38)
SWE | GP: 211 | G: 36 | A: 125 | P: 161 | +/-: +16 | HIT: 553 | SB: 325
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International Awards
IIHF Gold Medal (S28, S29)
IIHF Silver Medal (S21, S27, S35)
IIHF Bronze Medal (S22, S23)
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Transactions
S20 | Drafted 3rd Overall to the Montreal Impact
S21 | Drafted 2nd Overall to the Minnesota Chiefs
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Notable Events
S21 | Named Alternate Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S23 | Named Captain of the Minnesota Chiefs
S24 | 4th in Assists
S24 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S26 | 1st in Assists
S26 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S26 | 2nd in Penalty Minutes
S27 | 1st in Defensemen Points
S27 | T-1st in Defensemen Goals
S27 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S27 | 2nd in Game-Tying Goals
S29 | 4th in Assists
S29 | 5th in Defensemen Points
S30 | 4th in Assists
S30 | 4th in Defensemen Points
S30 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S30 | 3rd in Blocked Shots
S31 | 2nd in Assists
S31 | 2nd in Defensemen Points
S31 | 4th in Blocked Shots
S32 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Blocked Shots
S33 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S33 | 3rd in Defenseman Goals
S34 | 4th in Assists
S34 | 2nd in Blocked Shots
S34 | 4th in Defenseman Points
S35 | 2nd in Defenseman Points
S36 | 4th in Assists
S36 | 5th in Blocked Shots
S36 | T-1st in Defenseman Points
S36 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S37 | T-3rd in Assists
S37 | T-3rd in Defensemen Goals
S37 | 3rd in Defensemen Points
S40 | 1st in Defenseman Points
S40 | T-4th in Defensemen Goals
S40 | 1st in Plus/Minus
S41 | T-2nd in Power Play Goals
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SHL All-Star Selections
9x SHL 1st Team (S26, S27, S30, S31, S33, S35, S36, S37, S40)
2x SHL 2nd Team (S24, S34)
2x SHL 3rd Team (S29, S32)
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SHL Awards
5x Scott Stevens Trophy (S27, S31, S33, S37, S40)
1x Ron Mexico Trophy (S27)
Aidan Richan Trophy (S24)
1x Challenge Cup (S39)
5x Scott Stevens Nominee (S24, S26, S30, S35, S36)
1x Ron Mexico Nominee (S31)
3x Damian Littleton Nominee (S26, S31, S40)
1x Challenge Cup Finalist (S40)
Borromini Cannellini | C | Los Angeles Panthers
Age: 16
Height: 6'-4"
Weight: 210 lbs
Number: 17
Player Type: SNP
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SMJHL Regular Season Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 150 | G: 51 | A: 69 | P: 120 | +/-: +37 | HIT: 153
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SMJHL Playoff Statistics (S45-S47)
VAN | GP: 27 | G: 11 | A: 10 | P: 21 | +/-: +5 | HIT: 24
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SHL Regular Season Statistics (S48-)
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SHL Playoff Statistics (--)
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IIHF Statistics (--)
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International Awards
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Transactions
S45 | Drafted 7th Overall to the Vancouver Whalers
S46 | Drafted 10th Overall to the Los Angeles Panthers
Quote: Originally posted by ArGarBarGar @Oct 19 2016, 08:15 AM
We already have eras, and I think it is interesting to see which players had the best seasons in different circumstances.
Either get rid of eras, or keep being accurate to those eras. I'm not sure that is a ridiculous request.