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Jorec · 08-24-2016, 02:28 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MacWitNoK@Aug 24 2016, 01:14 PM

In this case, McZ is doing himself no favors endearing himself to the league, coming across as incredibly egotistical and a braggart, which makes people not want to further feed that with a Khan Trophy.

He has a good case, he has had an incredible season, but literally any 1,000 TPE forward  could slot in where he is and do as well, as the sim tends to give huge points to the best players on a weak team due to the decision making formula and there simply not being a better option to pass to, he will skate and shoot.

Look at the leaderboards, he's 75 over most others IIRC, and has lead the league all season in hits taken, which means he has the puck a lot due to that formula. Then playing 30 minutes a night, when endurance is a pisstake...well...

His player functioned exactly as you'd expect the best player on the team to perform.

McZerhl, as expected. Banananov, as expected. Sarantez, Garbanzo, Knight, Kinsler, as expected.

Nuck and Bure on the other hand, both stepped up their games this season. Performing far above and beyond what was expected. In terms of value, getting 60+ from a player you penciled in for 35 or so, I'd say is MOST Valuable.

Bure you can definately make the argument for. He's got top five points with 300ish less minutes then his contemporaries around him.

I don't quite understand your argument for Nuck tho, minutes wise. He's a #1 defender, playing #1 minutes, double shifted ones at that. He's in the top five of minutes played for the entire league. He's performing about what is to be expected as he should be given the situation he's in. Make no mistake, he's been an absolute force for the Dragons and should absolutely be in contention but if you going to say that McZ's time on ice is a detriment to his candidacy for MvP, then that's gotta be held against Nuck too.

ArGarBarGar · 08-24-2016, 02:31 PM

With the talent on Calgary's team, Nuck leading his team in scoring while being the defensive leader in scoring is effing ridiculous, and adds to his case. Same reason Garbanzo won the Mexico in S27 (fuck all of you for not voting for me for the Khan).

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~~GroupMeIsKindOfOkay~~ · 08-24-2016, 02:32 PM

Why are we calling every cup drought a curse?

Merica · 08-24-2016, 02:35 PM

Quote:Originally posted by GroupMeIsKindOfOkay@Aug 24 2016, 01:32 PM
Why are we calling every cup drought a curse?

I think we should define curse. +20 seasons? Or just Toronto?

~~GroupMeIsKindOfOkay~~ · 08-24-2016, 02:36 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Merica@Aug 24 2016, 01:35 PM

I think we should define curse. +20 seasons? Or just Toronto?

A curse needs a cause

Mac · 08-24-2016, 02:44 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Aug 24 2016, 03:31 PM
With the talent on Calgary's team, Nuck leading his team in scoring while being the defensive leader in scoring is effing ridiculous, and adds to his case. Same reason Garbanzo won the Mexico in S27 (fuck all of you for not voting for me for the Khan).

Going to piggyback off this in response to Jorec.

Pretty much this, as well as Nuck playing defense, a position not usually known to be among the scoring leaders.

Sure top pairing, blah, blah, blah. If anyone were to tell me they expected a defenseman to hit 55+, lead the league in power play goals, dominant differential, be on the boards for hits, break assist per season top 3 for the first time in 15 seasons or so, and be in contention for the Turd, I'll call them a fucking lying arse.

If being on nearly every leaderboard won't get you an MVP, this league is more fucked than...actually, no, this is what you use in comparison to things being fucked, nevermind.

Jorec · 08-24-2016, 02:49 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MacWitNoK@Aug 24 2016, 01:44 PM

Going to piggyback off this in response to Jorec.

Pretty much this, as well as Nuck playing defense, a position not usually known to be among the scoring leaders.

Sure top pairing, blah, blah, blah. If anyone were to tell me they expected a defenseman to hit 55+, lead the league in power play goals, dominant differential, be on the boards for hits, break assist per season top 3 for the first time in 15 seasons or so, and be in contention for the Turd, I'll call them a fucking lying arse.

If being on nearly every leaderboard won't get you an MVP, this league is more fucked than...actually, no, this is what you use in comparison to things being fucked, nevermind.

I don't disagree with any particular point. He's had a monster season and honestly, it would make me pretty happy to see a defender win MVP. Although I wouldn't cite being almost #1 in PIM as something good for a #1 defender, those are a bad thing to accumulate. Tongue

I was referring specifically to why you cited time on ice as a detriment to some people and not to one in particular, despite him being, as I said before, a top five on ice player for the entire league.

Muerto · 08-24-2016, 02:54 PM

Ok enough of this, let's get to the real question

What is an GM of the Year award?

:ph34r:

easymoneysniper · 08-24-2016, 03:00 PM

Razin with the facts

Kevin Juice Bieksa · 08-24-2016, 03:16 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Jorec@Aug 24 2016, 06:28 PM

Bure you can definately make the argument for. He's got top five points with 300ish less minutes then his contemporaries around him.

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Mac · 08-24-2016, 04:03 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Jorec@Aug 24 2016, 03:49 PM

I don't disagree with any particular point. He's had a monster season and honestly, it would make me pretty happy to see a defender win MVP. Although I wouldn't cite being almost #1 in PIM as something good for a #1 defender, those are a bad thing to accumulate.

I was referring specifically to why you cited time on ice as a detriment to some people and not to one in particular, despite him being, as I said before, a top five on ice player for the entire league.

Oh, should explain a little then.

Nuck has 61 points, as well as 102 PIM, which on average is ~2 min a game. If that two minutes was 5v5 or 4v4, we'd likely get more production.

It's a bad stat but used in this case to further the argument.

Why ice time as detrimental to one and not the other? Look at the Top 10 leaderboards for minutes played over the last ten seasons, how often has a forward been in the Top 5?

This seasons Top 5.

McZehrl 1,412 Mins -> 67 Points
Garbanzo 1,386 (-26 Mins) -> 52 Points
Nuck 1,366 Mins (-46 mins) -> 61 Points
Zoidberg 1,355 (-57 mins) -> 26 Points
Banananov 1,352 (-60 mins) -> 64 Points

It's much less impressive when you have literally played an extra games worth of ice time over 2nd place in league scoring.

A bit more context, I took the Top 75 Scorers and sorted by ice time.

1st (Top) VLAD McZerhl
67 Points -> 28.81 Mins Per Game

Other players getting 27+ Mins per game

Garbanzo 52 Points
Banananov 64 Points
Roy Razin 55 Points
Bubba Nuck 61 Points
Kian Hamilton 42 Points
Chuck Goody 42 Points
Jamie Hawkins 35 Points
Wyatt Wolker 42 Points

Average 51.1 Points with 27 Mins or More

As you can see, this is a bit skewed all over the place. I will look into another list

All Forwards over 25 Mins A Game

McZerhl 67 (28.81 MPG)
Banananov 64
Hamilton 42
Hawkins 35 (27.31 MPG) <--- Is the ONLY forward over 25 mins, not to crack 40 points)
Knight 57
Jakobson 54
Boyka 43 (25.57 MPG)

Still a bit all over the place though showing around 51, would be more if Hawkins was dropped from ratings.

All Defensemen over 25 Mins

Garbanzo 52 (28.88 MPG)
Razin 55
Nuck 61
Goody 42
Wolker 42
Stinson 45
Lidstrom 55 (26.14 MPG)

As you can tell, it's also around 50.28

37th (Middle) Randy Randleman
41 Points -> 20.95 Mins Per Game

Players with between 20.75 and 21.25 mins

Boychuk 40
Clitsome 41
Koroviev 40
Ballard 34
Bursyuk 35
Makinen 35

Average of 38 Points Per Average 21 Mins Ice Time

75th (Last) Mile Berger
33 Points -> 22.66 Mins Per Game (Increased ice time post trade to Hamilton)

75th (Last - Full Season, Single Team) Edienne Modano
33 Points - 20.00 Mins Per Game

Others with 19.00-20.50 Mins per game (not enough between 19.75 and 20.25)

Mack 45
Wikstrom 38
Collins 34
Fedorov 48
Pettyfer 40
Modano 33
Simons 42

Average of 39.125 Points for average of 19.75 mins a game.

There's the numbers, mins and what you should expect. Make your judgement call as you will.

Lunaro · 08-24-2016, 04:38 PM

i blame tez and jart for not playing me 30mpg last season. I woulda broke 80 pts

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Possum Queen · 08-24-2016, 05:10 PM

Quote:Originally posted by MacWitNoK+Aug 24 2016, 01:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1' id='QUOTE-WRAP'><tr><td>QUOTE (MacWitNoK @ Aug 24 2016, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I feel like this would be the result if I asked what males a Dar player last season. I had a career year but trying to argue I did better than Theo Kane would be asinine.

Hate you Lunaro :([/b]

Imagine how I feel. *angrily shakes fist*

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Willingly playing in Toronto?

Mac · 08-24-2016, 05:55 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Tanner@Aug 24 2016, 06:10 PM

Imagine how I feel. *angrily shakes fist*

Yeah, go ahead and break the save percentage record and still get shafted. At least you had some point to argue, Kane just fucked too much shit right up last season.

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