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Bfine · 03-25-2025, 07:34 PM

Good afternoon,

We have received an appeal from the St. Louis Scarecrows regarding this punishment. The issue revolves around player Chungledown Bim, and whether he was an IA playing on a line above active players. While Bim is currently IA, his last activity was on 2/15. Playoffs started on 3/17, and players are considered inactive after 30 days of inactivity, inclusive of the 30th day. That would make Bim’s inactive date 3/18, after the SMJHL playoffs began. With players’ status being locked once the playoffs begin, this would mean Bim is technically active for the entirety of the playoffs.

As such, we are overturning St. Louis’ punishment, as by the rules Bim was considered an active player heading into the playoff by a day. We would recommend HO clarify as well in the rulebook that a player is not IA until after the 30th day, as there was much debate and many questions as to whether a player officially becomes IA on day 30 or 31.

Please reach out to an appeals committee member with any questions you may have.

@Jimmysmo27 @cake307

***cake307*** · 03-25-2025, 07:36 PM

Thank you!

Ferwx · 03-25-2025, 07:37 PM

Thank youuuu C:

***SDCore*** · 03-25-2025, 07:41 PM

Uh isn't this 31 days? Which is defined in the rulebook

***cake307*** · 03-25-2025, 07:45 PM

03-25-2025, 07:41 PMSDCore Wrote: Uh isn't this 31 days? Which is defined in the rulebook

It's less because February is a short month, so there were less days between than normal.

***SDCore*** · 03-25-2025, 07:49 PM

03-25-2025, 07:45 PMcake307 Wrote: It's less because February is a short month, so there were less days between than normal.

That's not what is appealed here.

Also the 17th is the playoff start day which is the 31st day.

It's the start of the playoffs not the last day of the season

***sköldpaddor*** · 03-25-2025, 07:52 PM

03-25-2025, 07:45 PMcake307 Wrote: It's less because February is a short month, so there were less days between than normal.

Yeah no that’s not how it was calculated. Has nothing to do with February. The 30th day since last activity ended at 10:18 on the 17th, well before the first playoff sim started. The math here doesn’t math.

hhh81 · 03-25-2025, 07:59 PM

I guess math is hard?

Zinny · 03-25-2025, 08:32 PM

I think the important thing to remember here is that Carolina knowingly and intentionally broke the rules. (sarcasm)

Fluw · 03-25-2025, 08:33 PM

Don't think the rule needs any clarification to be honest, it pretty clearly states no activity in 30 days, not after 30 days.

**brickwall35** · 03-25-2025, 08:39 PM

2/15 -> 2/16 - 1 day
2/16 -> 2/17 - 2 day
2/17 -> 2/18 - 3 day
2/18 -> 2/19 - 4 day
2/19 -> 2/20 - 5 day
2/20 -> 2/21 - 6 day
2/21 -> 2/22 - 7 day
2/22 -> 2/23 - 8 day
2/23 -> 2/24 - 9 day
2/24 -> 2/25 - 10 day
2/25 -> 2/26 - 11 day
2/26 -> 2/27 - 12 day
2/27 -> 2/28 - 13 day
2/28 -> 3/01 - 14 day
3/01 -> 3/02 - 15 day
3/02 -> 3/03 - 16 day
3/03 -> 3/04 - 17 day
3/04 -> 3/05 - 18 day
3/05 -> 3/06 - 19 day
3/06 -> 3/07 - 20 day
3/07 -> 3/08 - 21 day
3/08 -> 3/09 - 22 day
3/09 -> 3/10 - 23 day
3/10 -> 3/11 - 24 day
3/11 -> 3/12 - 25 day
3/12 -> 3/13 - 26 day
3/13 -> 3/14 - 27 day
3/14 -> 3/15 - 28 day
3/15 -> 3/16 - 29 day
3/16 -> 3/17 - 30 day

Showed my work for the class

Wally · 03-25-2025, 08:42 PM

While the argument is being made that this situation is arbitrary, the rulebook itself establishes 30 days. Not 30 days and 1 hour, not 30 days and 23 hours and 42 seconds. It says 30 days from last activity which was 9:18 central time on 2/15. This then establishes 30 days (or 720 hours) at 3/17 9:18 central time as the 30 day standard at which we use across the board. Playoffs started at 3/17 16:00 central time, which is 30 days and 6.7 hours from start of playoffs when Patty commenced. Being over the 30 day period.

The mere fact that this is being discussed as arbitrary, yet creating a whole new rule (Starting the inactivity on 2/16) makes no sense in rule book form. If you have to create a new rule to make the decision fit, then it isn't arbitrary at all it is simply stating it is a variable. We have a 30 day period... 720 hours... 43,602 minutes... I'm not doing the seconds.

If you need another example look at the SHL IFA Bidding. It is 24 hours for bid being made. It doesn't start the next day, it starts at true time.

Another is waivers, if a player was sent down they were in waivers for 24 hours, not additional minutes or seconds and it started as of the post.

Another is goalie call ups, SHL GMs need to give exactly 24 hours notice of the next sim. Not additional minutes or seconds and it started on the message.

Fact is every rule is quite literal and how this decision was made simple undermines not just past decisions of similar nature, but also suggests a rule exists that clearly isn't in the rulebook and even further now needs further definition down to the second and re-writing throughout every time referenced rule.

Evok · 03-25-2025, 09:46 PM

Everyone know you start counting at 2 guys, so clearly bad bad stl

***UptownCord*** · 03-25-2025, 10:58 PM

Chungledown Economics

***Valpix*** · 03-26-2025, 12:08 AM

i thought we were getting into that bodybuilding forum argument in here for a sec

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