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04-23-2025, 10:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 04-23-2025, 10:20 AM by Tomen. Edited 3 times in total.)
To bring the discourse to a more relevant point again. Regarding the numerous people in here saying that 4 teams fucking up is a sign that some greater issues is at hand. From my POV there has always been somewhat of an issue that HO was way too relaxed in the past with exactly this stuff, the GM tasks deadline. So from my POV the issue lies with how GMs have treated the task deadline. In the past HO has been over the top lenient ( and I don't just mean the last 5 seasons or something). The rules in the past even had to state that an auto firing could happen to repeat offenders but in reality the discipline of GMs regarding the GM task deadline has always been very lacking and was even fixed with such a big potential punishment. HO in the past worked with teams to give them less punishment that's why we have seen so few of it in the past. This is nothing new that 4 teams fuck it up in a single season.
I do think HO was between a rock and hard place here in regards to the punishment given out and it feels somewhat weird that the users have to bear the consequences of the actions of management. But on the other even up to the last season I was in the GM server HO always pinged teams multiple times even prior to the deadline if a team had something missing. I understand we all have a life but as someone who has been part of these GM tasks for a while, they are easily done in a span of 30 minutes maybe 45 minutes at most and it's not like the deadline is suddenly communicated, you have plenty of time to plan ahead for it (I do agree that last minute stuff can happen but even that shouldn't throw things off). I understand that a normal cap fine or pick loss doesn't satisfy the need of a correct punishment since the implications of the rule infringement can be quite big if you let this happen with a few peak TPE players for example and what was broken here was something that could be listed under competitive integrity since you deny other teams and essientially your own player the opportunity to have some talks and breaking that should have a punishment waiting for you. I understand that in this exact example Sizz already agreed in DMs to a contract but there are just so many things that have been fucked up here for this punishment to even happen that the consequences need to be big. In the last few seasons and with the upcoming expansions I think HO should consider moving away from flat blanket punishments that apply to all teams and instead move to a punishment catalog. Since draft pick punishments hit rebuilding teams harder than competing ones. Obviously the opposite applies to cap fines. Having just a variety of punishments that HO can apply considering in which state the offending team is. One could also consider something like loss of HTD slots/ retention slots to have more varied punishments. Sometimes punishments that suck have to be done is what I'll end with. ![]() Thank you all for the amazing sigs & player cards ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 3. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 5 (Maximilian Wachter, Alexis Metzler) at 16:25 5. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 6 (Steven Stamkos Jr., Brynjar Tusk) at 19:48 8. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 7 (Brynjar Tusk, Alexis Metzler) at 13:55 9. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 8 (Anton Fedorov, Mikelis Grundmanis) at 15:12 10. Buffalo Stampede , Eduard Selich 9 (Dickie Pecker) at 19:43 (Empty Net) ![]() Player Updaters Player Updaters ![]() IIHF Federation Head Too young for this shit ![]() Registered S35 Challenge Cup Champion 04-23-2025, 10:09 AMTomen Wrote: To bring the discourse to a more relevant point again. Regarding the numerous people in here saying that 4 teams fucking up is a sign that some greater issues is at hand. From my POV there has always been somewhat of an issue that HO was way too relaxed in the past with exactly this stuff, the GM tasks deadline. So from my POV the issue lies with hot GMs have treated the task deadline. In the past HO has been over the top lenient ( and I don't just mean the last 5 seasons or something). The rules in the past even had to state that an auto firing could happen to repeat offenders but in reality the discipline of GMs regarding the GM task deadline has always been very lacking and was even fixed with such a big potential punishment. HO in the past worked with teams to give them less punishment that's why we have seen so few of it in the past. This is nothing new that 4 teams fuck it up in a single season. Tomen my GOAT Lacking attention to the deadlines has long been an issue plaguing SHL & other sim leagues. Remember when Hamilton forgot to sign their draftees?. Or in the PBE every season there are teams missing some regressions, or not making a decision on draftees. Ultimately sim leagues are a hobby so some people don't take the deadlines so seriously, but there's a lot of people involved and a lot of work that gets done to run this big operation and skipping deadlines makes it harder on everyone. Like you said these are 30-45 minute tasks and it's basically a checklist. As a GM even before the offseason starts you have a pretty good idea of who needs a contract, what your roster changes are, and who needs regression. Beyond that it's just posting it all along a checklist and making sure everything matches. ![]() Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36) Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43) ![]() ![]() Registered Senior Member 04-23-2025, 10:12 AMKatth Wrote: Thread team... And to think, people were saying 'you haven't even reached the J cap', 'you are hardly active', 'your career is over'. Who is laughing now ![]() The Venerable, Most Eloquent, Sir Aloyisius Hoglord The Third of House Zwijnjäger
![]() Registered overwatch is a first person shooter for weebs ![]() SHL GM SHL GM 04-23-2025, 10:23 AMjackkmart Wrote: And to think, people were saying 'you haven't even reached the J cap', 'you are hardly active', 'your career is over'.Aloysius Hoglord III and my goat dubolk on the same pair. We're gonna be unstoppable ![]() Registered Senior Member ![]() Registered S20, S21, S25,S51 Smelly Fart Champion 2.0 04-23-2025, 10:22 AMSymmetrik Wrote: Tomen my GOAT Respectfully the Hamilton thing is probably a good example of how damaging the bureaucracy of the SHL is to users and just general league fun. It's a hobby at the end of the day not a job with deadlines all the time. Draftees were signed and like just not posted, they were going to be posted but my phone died awhile I was hunting. Like generally I think that rule is one of the worst rules to be made for a very specific reason that doesn't happen often. Also think this is just a silly punishment for the rule. Sizz is a big part of Tampa Bay, losing a 1500 tpe forward and a 2nd round pick is such a steep punishment and it's a for fun league at end of the day. Especially when you have a contract agreed to in dms or Minny had their player on their budget. Like at the end of the day we are human and we make mistakes and as long as their was malicious intent these punishments should be appealed and waived completely. ![]() ![]() Commissioner allegedly doing stuff 04-23-2025, 10:09 AMTomen Wrote: In the last few seasons and with the upcoming expansions I think HO should consider moving away from flat blanket punishments that apply to all teams and instead move to a punishment catalog. Since draft pick punishments hit rebuilding teams harder than competing ones. Obviously the opposite applies to cap fines. Having just a variety of punishments that HO can apply considering in which state the offending team is. One could also consider something like loss of HTD slots/ retention slots to have more varied punishments. I don't inherently disagree with this, i'm just trying to mentally navigate how we accomplish this whilst being as objective about it as possible. The determination of a specific team's state is hard to do, so applying to right punishment would always end up being up for debate. Whilst it can be unevenly harsh, the current state of blanket punishments at the very least enables a common ground of knowledge and eliminates to a certain degree the inference that HO subjectively attributes punishment. While we do have the right to escalate sanctions, we have the onus of providing enough evidence or justification when doing so. I think we're always open to making it more fair, so this is definitely something to have marinate as we keep working on making the rulebook better! @"jason kranz" sig elite / @sulovilen elite sig
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Registered S35 Challenge Cup Champion 04-23-2025, 10:30 AMHallsy Wrote: Respectfully the Hamilton thing is probably a good example of how damaging the bureaucracy of the SHL is to users and just general league fun. It's a hobby at the end of the day not a job with deadlines all the time. Draftees were signed and like just not posted, they were going to be posted but my phone died awhile I was hunting. Yes it's a hobby and a for fun league, and to keep that running it requires a ton of work from people, be it HO, simmers, the portal team, GMs, PT team, etc. The deadlines exist because not putting in your share of the work hurts everyone else who tries to keep this huge operation running smoothly. There's also co-GMs, coaches, and war rooms that help stay on top of all the deadlines. ![]() Prince George Firebirds GM (S34-S36) Toronto North Stars GM (S37-S43) ![]() ![]() Commissioner Turtle Lord 04-23-2025, 10:25 AMsytarah Wrote: where is the verbal abuse?if you cant handle this thread you shouldnt be commishOh, I wouldn’t classify anything in this particular thread as verbal abuse, I was just referring to in general. I have been called such horrible things in these leagues, sexist insults, homophobic insults, you name it I’ve probably been called it. I was more responding to the general point that Dwight was making, which is that even in positions of leadership people shouldn’t be expected to subject themselves to horrible abusive language, just in the name of free speech. ![]() Registered Posting Freak 04-23-2025, 10:30 AMHallsy Wrote: Respectfully the Hamilton thing is probably a good example of how damaging the bureaucracy of the SHL is to users and just general league fun. It's a hobby at the end of the day not a job with deadlines all the time. Draftees were signed and like just not posted, they were going to be posted but my phone died awhile I was hunting. This is a league and a hobby that should be fun, but it’s also a somewhat competitive activity that has rules in place to make it fair for everyone. When I play rec league soccer, I would be annoyed if the other team started ignoring rules like out of bounds or hand balls because it’s supposed to be just for fun. Fun should be the goal but it also should be fair. That said, obviously with four teams breaking the same rule at the same time we do need to look at the rule and the internal processes to support the rule. It’s been a hot minute since I was in HO but during that time, we were actively tracking and giving GMs multiple warnings about being behind on tasks. Being a GM is not an easy job but really it’s one of, if not the most important job in the league. You are charged with not only maintaining a welcoming and active locker room but also numerous tasks that are crucial to the overall running of the league as a fair competition. It is a lot of work and responsibility. Shit happens, no denying that, but if you are going to take on the responsibility and get the glory then you have to put in the work and actually listen to those reminders from HO. The affected players not being able to play for their teams is unfortunate, but I don’t know how you fix that without adding multiple addendums to an already somewhat-complicated rule. ![]() |
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