04-28-2025, 12:29 PMWaters Wrote: you told me i shouldnt care because its a fake sim league but you're gonna tell me I'm not treating people like humans. sickening
I never said you shouldn't care?
Maybe there's a language barrier, I am not a native speaker.
I meant that despising someone because they did a job (in this case, voting) in a fake puck hobby, is not reasonable.
04-28-2025, 12:32 PMRojjter Wrote: I never said you shouldn't care?
Maybe there's a language barrier, I am not a native speaker.
I meant that despising someone because they did a job (in this case, voting) in a fake puck hobby, is not reasonable.
sure it is. if you disrespect me by not only doing something fucked up to me but also never ever even acknowledging it, never even dming me, not even showing any sort of accountability towards me or my team, I have the right to feel any way I want about you.
04-28-2025, 12:25 PMAlaska Wrote: I think a valuable step in this process would be to acknowledge how Waters feels, something that has not happened at all.
HO can believe that they were justified, but that doesn’t change the fact that they’ve put Waters in a completely garbage position, and his feelings on the matter are completely justified. Acknowledging that would be helpful, given the very real feelings of people involved. We’re not all usernames on a page, there’s a real person behind the username and there’s one that’s feeling some very real and very understandable anger and hurt
This is entirely fair. I am sorry for any hurt this has caused Waters. I doubt he wants to hear an apology from me at this point, but yes, I am sorry that this has caused anyone hurt. I am sorry that sim sports ever causes anybody actual stress or hurt, myself included. That is never the intent with this kind of thing. You and I, Alaska, discussed at length recently how unfair it is that the standing co "always" gets hired. You expressed to me (respectfully and in a constructive manner) that it wasn't fair to do that, that other people outside the team should have the chance to apply for those positions. That's actually criticism that I thought was entirely valid, and I'm certainly not saying that was why we made this decision, but it was something I took to heart and reflected on as we've made a lot of hirings recently.
We do want to consider and respond to criticism. I have been doing that so, so much lately, whether it's been responding to people about the crasher/FA thing, this hiring, expansion rules, etc. When people are hostile and cruel with their criticisms, though, it makes it hard for us to focus on the actual feedback. We try to, but we are also only human, and when we are repeatedly not just critiqued for our decisions but for being "lazy" or "control freaks" or "untrustworthy" that is just not going to lead to a productive dialogue. Because we are real people too, you know?
04-28-2025, 12:32 PMWaters Wrote: its great to say you take me upset being serious, but you haven't shown that at all. you've just victimized yourself over and over. I don't know what you are, but I'm an adult, and I know actions speak louder than words. your actions are nil, zero, worse than nothing.
You're an adult screaming at another adult (that is 1/13 of the votes) because you didn't get a GM position.
I don't know man, if you don't see the absurdity I don't really see a reason for me to respect your feelings regarding it and try to have a conversation.
What actions is there for me to take? You want me to do a hostile takeover in HO and somehow ignore 13 other members and their opinions?
I'm not seeing the endgame you're going for.
Respect me and I'll respect you, as easy as that. Up until then enjoy your evening.
04-28-2025, 12:36 PMRojjter Wrote: You're an adult screaming at another adult (that is 1/13 of the votes) because you didn't get a GM position.
I don't know man, if you don't see the absurdity I don't really see a reason for me to respect your feelings regarding it and try to have a conversation.
What actions is there for me to take? You want me to do a hostile takeover in HO and somehow ignore 13 other members and their opinions?
I'm not seeing the endgame you're going for.
Respect me and I'll respect you, as easy as that. Up until then enjoy your evening.
why should I respect you when you don't respect me? how is the burden on me, as the obvious victim of the situation?
04-28-2025, 11:59 AMHallsy Wrote: I can't lie though going for lap 20 rn is pretty boring. Wished there was more drama to talk about.
Yeah well then screw you buddy. You couldn't hold Winnesota's jockstrap. You think you are a big drama thread andy but can't even slog through two pages without a recipe or a shitpost.
04-28-2025, 12:38 PMUptownCord Wrote: Yeah well then screw you buddy. You couldn't hold Winnesota's jockstrap. You think you are a big drama thread andy but can't even slog through two pages without a recipe or a shitpost.
MIN has been THE team to avoid since I joined the site, I said on discord cord hiring made me rethink that. Until I read the posts of all the people still on the team.
I believe y'all that internally it was on the upswing. But externally frankly it has never deviated from looking the same as its always been and I don't see why the team as an entity or its users would expect any benefit of the doubt.
Cord should pull the Anaheim treatment at this point which should have been done a long time ago
04-28-2025, 12:34 PMWaters Wrote: sure it is. if you disrespect me by not only doing something fucked up to me but also never ever even acknowledging it, never even dming me, not even showing any sort of accountability towards me or my team, I have the right to feel any way I want about you.
Fucked up to you?
Bro I just joined the league, do you think I know all lore or context of everything inside the league?
There was already multiple people in contact with you, why should I (that is pretty far down on the totem pole as a new member and HO member) slide into your DMs? And say what?
"sorry"?
I would've seen that as just salt in the wound, for something I already knew you was not happy about.
You're literally grasping at straws to hate right now.
You don't know me, neither do I know you.
04-28-2025, 12:38 PMUptownCord Wrote: Yeah well then screw you buddy. You couldn't hold Winnesota's jockstrap. You think you are a big drama thread andy but can't even slog through two pages without a recipe or a shitpost.
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