and to be clear, eddie regretted the way he conducted the negotiations because you and trips manipulated him. he had nothing to apologize for then and doesn't now.
04-28-2025, 01:00 PMsliceruser Wrote: I understand the frustrations and anger of the MIN locker room, i am only an intern and have no voting power in HO+only been there for 2 weeks but i was apart of the discussion and thoughts on it. I cannot say any specifics but i will say even before i joined HO MIN has been a roller coaster of mediocre sometimes because of management sometimes because of things outside of their control. I understand you felt you had turned a new leafs but the longer you had been here the more you had seen this song and dance evaporate. I at least personally agreed that we felt MIN needed something to change up the war room. This is not out of hatred for waters or to bother MIN and we knew it would likely upset you but for the good of the team and league thought it would be best to go best candidate available. You are free to disagree or be upset with that decision. I fully understand
So you’re claiming that head office purposefully wanted an outside hire to change up the teams culture and reputation, without actually talking to any of the members from the team? This honestly seems to be over and above Head Office’s duty and a little heavy handed. They did after all hire every GM who has brought every team to their current situation.
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04-28-2025, 12:46 PMWally Wrote: Why do you keep going on this @Waters
It’s been two weeks and you continue to run with the script that only benefits your narrative.
Maybe try internalizing your own actions as to why HO even had a reason to consider other options. God forbid someone mention you have done anything wrong… I mean, fuck… between baiting and shit posting relentlessly there couldn’t bet be a reason there??
Oh that’s right… You thought you needed to be the knight to protect Eddie a couple weeks ago. You thought protecting Eddie meant you could threaten to put me in a grave if I went public about any thing, referencing you being the only one with empathy in the scenario. Dude you couldn’t be more wrong in your assessment at the moment.
Each one of us deal with life circumstances, good and bad, on a daily basis. Did you ever think to ask before trying to use Eddie’s parents as part of your argument of his decisions? Did you know that Eddie regretted the decisions he made in negotiating that trade? You ever think why?
Eddie knew that I was both negotiating not just for a good friend, but with a good friend. So however people want to spin it, the reason he came to me was knowing he had my trust and trust in Corey. While looking back, yup it would have been nice to know what wasn’t disclosed. That’s on me and clearly learned a lesson that I can’t trust any competing GMs even if they are friends.
In mediation, I couldn’t ask for anything of it because you guys negotiated in a way that didn’t break any rules and that was by your choice... These were my words. Which is totally alright. However, think about it from my perspective if you care to understand at all… I had a friend that I had stood up for since day one when he got the GM job (Eddie) negotiating with me for a friend (Corey) that he knew I also enjoyed immensely. Corey was the one who brought me back to life in S54 and I owe much of the way I care about this community to him, unlike how I acted in the early S30s.
Who wouldn’t be pissed off though? We loved Saint as well, so we felt if we were giving up someone we enjoyed (and trusted he was going to a GM that would as much as us), we would be getting an equal opportunity back that would fit our future cap spending a bit better. Learning of the scenario after the fact and that it was already known prior to negotiating, from the beginning it was a win-win for Minnesota.
All I simply wanted was an apology from a friend, Eddie… He admitted his own guilt in the transaction as to when he could’ve backed out on multiple occasions and I came to grips that I leaned far too much on my trust and didn’t put in my due diligence during mediation.
Meanwhile, I had you threatening me from saying anything public trying to avoid this hypothetical "grave" that you said I'd dig… yet you post “what the hell” in the trade thread further twisting that knife.
You were accusing me of lacking empathy and I was days removed from losing our second child in a row from a miscarriage. I kept this news pretty close until you played that card. I don’t care if this puts me in a grave… I really couldn’t care less. How you treat people in both real life and here will come back.
What I care about are people being put in positions of leadership in this league or any league for this matter, that have characteristics that evoke compassion, understanding and caring for the unknowns. I do wish Minnesota the best and I know the Cord will do a phenomenal job and the entire roster will benefit from his positive approach in both the community and in the locker room.
So you agreed to a trade that was within the rules and you’re upset with someone else for it?
04-28-2025, 01:13 PM(This post was last modified: 04-28-2025, 01:18 PM by SDCore. Edited 2 times in total.)
I've been really trying to stay out of this... I am sorry for how Waters feels, how Minny feels, how Wally feels, and the way HO feels. I also am really sorry for the way I feel about this all going down and I hate that I am causing any bit of division both in Minnesota and the league, which was never ever my intention. They did me pretty dirty (imo by taking away a lot of my agency and trading me off a private conversation with Eddie), but Eddie and Waters have been nothing but respectful to me before and after the trade. I've talked to Waters a lot both since and after the trade and even after the hiring of Cord.
Knowing I was not in the decision making for any of this, could make it feel like HO has been less sympathetic towards Waters and/or Minnesota. I want to make it very cleary, I have never wanted anything bad for Minnesota, Waters, have never said anything disparaging towards them (as far as I know, except for way back machine with Waters, but we've I hope since quashed that as we have said we have).
Eddie and Waters made a trade to a friend thinking it was best for all of us, did they do it a bit shady, sure, should it have been handled better on all ends sure, but they perceived a threat and did what they thought was best for them. I harbor no ill intentions or will towards Waters and have been both respectful and honest with him, even if some of those conversations were harder or mixed feelings. I do hope them all the best and hope they can trust Cord and move on.
If anyone involved in this in Minny wants to talk to me they can, if they want to hate or dislike me they can, all of your feelings are valid and honest, as are mine about this whole situation on a player/user level. I hope that we can get to some point of respect for everyone here.
I know I have a contentious past, people have preconceived notions of me, and well most of them are deserved, but I've grown a lot in 6 years here and I in the past put a lot of presssure on my self and let anger get the best of me, still do sometimes, and I will always apologize for that and do better.
I truly am sorry that this happened the way it did, how it happened and for my role in anyway hurting anyone.
04-28-2025, 01:10 PMWaters Wrote: and to be clear, eddie regretted the way he conducted the negotiations because you and trips manipulated him. he had nothing to apologize for then and doesn't now.
Where was I working with Trips on this? And how did I manipulate Eddie? What…
04-28-2025, 01:15 PM(This post was last modified: 04-28-2025, 01:15 PM by Waters.)
04-28-2025, 01:13 PMWally Wrote: Where was I working with Trips on this? And how did I manipulate Eddie? What…
I've seen the message you sent to eddie and the message trips sent to eddie. i don't need to justify anything, since you've just straight up lied in this thread already.
04-28-2025, 01:15 PMWaters Wrote: I've seen the message you sent to eddie and the message trips sent to eddie. i don't need to justify anything, since you've just straight up lied in this thread already.
Yup and once again I revert back to my original post. The anger comes from that same manipulation that I felt in the moment and we discussed it (Eddie and I) via mediation.
04-28-2025, 01:10 PMCementHands Wrote: So you’re claiming that head office purposefully wanted an outside hire to change up the teams culture and reputation, without actually talking to any of the members from the team? This honestly seems to be over and above Head Office’s duty and a little heavy handed. They did after all hire every GM who has brought every team to their current situation.
I would disagree i do think that is within head office duties but you are right we didnt reach out to enough people in MIN lovker room to hear their thoughts. Thats not to say we just fully dismissed MIN applicants. We do look at them and discussed if we thought it was the right choice amongst us
04-28-2025, 01:17 PMWally Wrote: Yup and once again I revert back to my original post. The anger comes from that same manipulation that I felt in the moment and we discussed it (Eddie and I) via mediation.
brother you lied about me threatening you to try and bring me down when you were 0% involved in this thread. you are acting spitefully and you have no credibility. stop posting
04-28-2025, 12:58 PMsköldpaddor Wrote: Well, that's the thing. We hadn't seen much stability in Minnesota. Waters had only even been co-GM for one season, this wasn't a well-established, long-term Co-GM that we unseated out of spite. We saw that Minnesota had been exactly the opposite of stable, for a very long time. And that's not a shot at Waters, because again, he was a relative newcomer to this.
And yes, HO should be prepared to receive criticism for decisions. But criticism and insult are not the same thing. I am not trying to make this "about" how HO feels, I'm just pointing out that the "there's a real person behind the user" thing goes both ways.
With that in mind though, it’s hard to lay the blame for instability at Waters’ feet (in my mind) when he’s newer to the role. And to be frank, it’s not his fault that he was thrust into an uncomfortable spot with Eddie’s leave from the site (for good reason and I hope he’s okay).
Not going to justify insult or abuse, shouldn’t be happening either way. My point circling back to empathy for the affected person is that starting there, and recognizing when someone is venting and needs a space to do that vs certain people feeling the need to argue/adding fuel to the fire in response to that, could prevent these massive escalations. When people feel unheard and that their feelings don’t matter (and this is different than saying do whatever the mob suggests at all times), it doesn’t surprise me that people are upset and lash out to a large degree
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04-28-2025, 01:23 PMsytarah Wrote: so the manipulating was eddie allegedly knew corey wouldnt sign with BAP? so whats the point in the CONDITIONAL PICK ON HIM SIGNING THEN WALLY
Sure seems like there was a chance he wouldn’t sign an extension built into the trade…. weird.
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