Quote:Originally posted by NathanAD@Sep 21 2013, 06:52 PM
Well usually the most successful GM would be the most skilled.
How good a team's roster is is opinion.
How good their draft history is, is opinion.
How successful they are is fact.
If you have the best draft history or best roster in the league and still can't even make the playoffs, then you are no where close to top 3.
Not true at all. Toast left due to getting a GM job, Velevra left due to a chance to be a Co GM, that's a very harsh blow to a team who's trying to exit a rebuild, both players were expected to be the centerpiece of our defense.
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Quote:Originally posted by Maxy@Sep 21 2013, 06:55 PM
Not really anything due to scouting. Out of all my draft picks they've all turned out quite well and most trades I've made have been very even for both teams and benefited both teams equally. As far as drafting goes I've drafted 2 players who were SHL Gm's within the past season, both of which were moved due to that fact that they wanted the chance to GM. I'm not making a claim to be the most successful GM as I haven't proved that yet but also take into account that I've had 2 rebuilds abruptly ended short due to moving a player for their betterment setting me back. One thing I can say I feel I've done extremely well is trading, drafting and treating my players fairly and while it hasn't necessarily worked out on the record sheet yet. it's not due to lack of effort or skill. More due to extenuating circumstances beyond my control, and while yes I suppose I could have been selfish and neglected to give players like Toast, Velevra, HFFO the chances they were looking for (As I had no real obligation to do so seeing as they were all under contract for at least 2 more seasons at the time I let them have their chance) I had their best interests in mind. So no I don't see anyone who hasn't played for me to argue I'm anything higher than 10-12, but honestly I think you'd be hard pressed to find a player who has played for me that would downplay my skills as GM.
I understand the Player GM type thing. You can ask anyone who played for me in my 5 seasons as GM the same thing, I was always fair, and always had their best interests in mind. People would ask to be traded to certain teams, without a NTC, I would comply because the league is about being enjoyable. People wanted to try a different position or more playing time, I'd give them a chance.
However, that didn't make me a top 3 GM.
I understand the him ranking you as his favourite GM.
Your skills are measured by how well you do. You can compare it to those guys in the NHL who go top 5 and never amount to anything. Sure they are skilled, but it's putting it together that makes you good.
I wasn't going for an opportunity, you were shopping me when I pm'ed you :lol:
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Quote:Originally posted by NathanAD@Sep 21 2013, 05:52 PM
Well usually the most successful GM would be the most skilled.
How good a team's roster is is opinion.
How good their draft history is, is opinion.
How successful they are is fact.
If you have the best draft history or best roster in the league and still can't even make the playoffs, then you are no where close to top 3.
But how you measure success is a matter of opinion. Is it by all-time wins? Championships? Playoff berths? Overall success is something that can be debated, and it is thus an opinion.
Quote:Originally posted by BBH@Sep 21 2013, 08:02 PM
But how you measure success is a matter of opinion. Is it by all-time wins? Championships? Playoff berths? Overall success is something that can be debated, and it is thus an opinion.
... if somebody has none of any of the above they aren't successful :lol:
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Quote:Originally posted by BBH@Sep 21 2013, 07:02 PM
But how you measure success is a matter of opinion. Is it by all-time wins? Championships? Playoff berths? Overall success is something that can be debated, and it is thus an opinion.
Umm well, all those are measures of success, and he's not close to the best in any of those :lol:
Quote:Originally posted by BBH@Sep 21 2013, 04:00 PM
The means by which you measure skill are up to the particular person, and thus skill is measurable by opinionated means.
Quote:Originally posted by JayTee@Sep 21 2013, 06:03 PM
skill is measurable.
Jeez people are dense.
Show me how you measure skill, and I'll show you how I measure it. I can almost guarantee you that they're different.
Measuring things that aren't universally standardized makes them opinionated. You can say that the Packers had the league's best record a few years ago, but you can't prove that they were the best team in the league.
Quote:Originally posted by NathanAD@Sep 21 2013, 07:00 PM
I understand the Player GM type thing. You can ask anyone who played for me in my 5 seasons as GM the same thing, I was always fair, and always had their best interests in mind. People would ask to be traded to certain teams, without a NTC, I would comply because the league is about being enjoyable. People wanted to try a different position or more playing time, I'd give them a chance.
However, that didn't make me a top 3 GM.
I understand the him ranking you as his favourite GM.
Your skills are measured by how well you do. You can compare it to those guys in the NHL who go top 5 and never amount to anything. Sure they are skilled, but it's putting it together that makes you good.
Well I think it's more so a list of who he feels are the best gms not the most successful. It all really depends on what your criteria is for this list. For me as far as top goes success isn't as important to me because I know things can happen in the sim that don't make sense and while success is a great thing in the league I don't think it's the end all as far as top GM's go. For me Krever's the best GM and he's not overly successful either. As far as successful GM's I'm easily last place. In terms of best GM all things considered (player gm, skill, trades, drafts, success) I'd put myself in the top 3-5 personally mainly because I feel I have built some great teams that didn't pan out due to extenuating circumstances. But I can see why others wouldn't, honestly it doesn't make much of a difference to me and hopefully I'll be able to change that opinion for most people soon
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Quote:Originally posted by JayTee@Sep 21 2013, 07:03 PM
skill is measurable.
Jeez people are dense.
Skill is measurable but it's also an opinion because what each person measures as part of that formula is different is the point. Something you measure as skill may be irrelevant to others and it doesn't make it wrong, it makes it an opinion
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