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the5urreal · 08-29-2024, 03:55 PM

08-28-2024, 12:33 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: Game Rating is determined based on how the Coach feels a player performed in their given role. Enforcers can have high GRs if they win a fight, Danglers can have high DGRs if they aren't a sieve in the defensive zone, etc. To use GR as a determining factor when comparing players across different teams, it would almost be better to flip a coin or ask a stranger to pick which player is better based off of their name. If you are comparing two Two-Way Forwards on the same team, that would be a better use of GR, but would still make the ultimate decision up to the arbitrary analysis of a Coach that we can't know the expectations of.

It is good to hear that GR was discussed and how it is impossible to track accurately, but you can't say that while also saying you sometimes use DGR to determine who played well defensively.

On a separate note, it is nice to see the committee putting emphasis on the goalie stat that truly matters: wins. No disrespect to Time or Dionne, but being on good teams with sub-.900 save percentage shouldn't get you on a nominee shortlist because you happen to be in net when the team wins. I know you wanted to keep things short for each player on the list, but look at the save percentage list. Hell, include backups here, too. Grzegorz leads all goalies, not just starters, in save percentage currently with a 0.925. You have to go back to S73 to find the last goalie to lead all goalies in save percentage when Karsikko did it with a 0.918, and you have to go back to S65 to find the last time a goalie finished above 0.920 in save percentage when both Antonescu (0.926) and Jobin (0.924) did it for their respective teams, which also happens to be the last season of FHM6. In that same timeframe, the largest save percentage gap between starters was 0.009 in S68 when Petrov finished with a 0.919 and Montagne finished with a 0.910. I know the season still has time to go, but a save percentage lead of 0.013 that Zerg has over the next closest starter is unheard of. His save percentage is also unheard of in the FHM8 era, and imo should get himself into the MVP conversation if the second half of the season is as good as the first for him.

Speaking of, though, the second rated starter in terms of save percentage didn't even make the shortlist for the McBride here despite, idk, having a 0.016 and 0.014 save percentage lead over two goalies that were mentioned while playing on a substantially worse team. Sieve is second to Zerg in the categories that matter. Look at GSAA for a moment. "But Fuzz, GSAA is volume based, you can't take it into account because the goalie on the worse team is going to have higher GSAA." Okay, let's look at GSAA per shot faced (the metric can actually get really small with the numbers because of how many shots get taken). Time and Dionne save 0.0004 and 0.0038 per shot faced, while Sieve saves 0.0179. It is incredible how much better Sieve is actually performing relative to the two goalies on two of the top Western teams.

Oh, and for reference, Grzegorz saves 0.0309 per shot faced.

Stop using wins as a goalie metric. It is not and will never be a goalie metric. It is a team statistic, period.

This is the level of thought and analysis we deserve! Cheers

Operation Ivy · 08-30-2024, 10:51 AM

Good read, Coop! I’ve slowed down a bit recently, hopefully I can pick it back up late in the season here.

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*Carpy48* · 08-31-2024, 04:13 PM

08-28-2024, 12:33 PMFuzzSHL Wrote: Stop using wins as a goalie metric. It is not and will never be a goalie metric. It is a team statistic, period.

Only read this now, but I just wanted to stop by and add that I agree 100% with this and it's so important. Good team = many wins, bad team = not so many wins, has nothing to do with the goalie.

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