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***luke*** · 07-20-2020, 03:46 PM

This offseason saw a lot of change. Teams like Baltimore, New England, and Los Angeles selling off some of their major pieces, and other minor trades a long the way, the SHN has come together to review some of the bigger trades that the league has seen in the past couple weeks.

7/1/2020

BAP / WPG

To WPG:

Yoshimitsu McCloud

To BAP:
Kristoffer Svensson
WPG S55 3rd (traded back to WPG)
WPG S57 2nd (traded along with SFP 3rd to get a higher pick)

Luke: This trade for Baltimore is good. They get an early 3rd round pick this season, and a 2nd in S57 for a S46 ~1k forward. With Baltimore signaling that they are trying to go into another mini rebuild, these are decent returns for McCloud. For WPG, they are trying to get out of the bottom of the west, but with other teams around them upgrading as well I'm not really sure what their plan is. They got decent players, and a decent roster but nothing jumps out as a cup contender.

Nham: Winnipeg effectively paid a 3rd (which they got back in a later trade) and 2nd to upgrade their inactive 900ish TPE forward to an active 1.1k forward. Hard to say that there is a lot of value in this trade for Winnipeg as they technically come out ahead but at an unreasonably heavy cost given that both players are S46. They’re both at their peak/coming right up on regression so it isn’t a long term asset that they can hold onto either. While Winnipeg has some A grade prospects in the pipeline, most of them will be called up meaning that Winnipeg needs to be looking to fill it up again rather than prolonging their run at a wildcard spot.

grok: I don’t really know why Winnipeg is making this kind of deal. McCloud is a great depth add for a team that can contend, don’t get me wrong. From the Jets perspective though, does that 200 TPE move the needle enough to get past NOLA, EDM, or CGY? Even if they do get to the top of the pile, does that 200 TPE get them past whichever top-4 team emerges from the Eastern Conference meat grinder? From what we’ve seen in the FHM era so far, signs point to no. While that 2nd and 3rd might not add a ton of value to the Winnipeg organization, in hindsight there’s a big question mark around why they spent their resources in this direction instead of saving them for one of the big names that would become available later in the offseason. BAP is the big winner here, supporting their rebuild and keeping a “just in case” player for their forward depth.

6/30/2020

MAN / BAP

To MAN:
Geoff Moore

To BAP:

Derek Bohne Jr.
SFP S55 3rd (traded with BAP S55 3rd to get a higher pick)
MAN S56 2nd
MAN S58 2nd

Nham: For Baltimore, they came to the cold realization that the best thing for them to do is to cut their losses and embrace the suck in order to come out with a younger, better core in a number of seasons. Moore will be finding himself on his 3rd team in as many seasons despite being a life long Chief prior to these trades. For Manhattan, it’s an opportunity to beef up their defensive depth as Moore hits a 2nd season of regression. Still, the swap for nearly 600-700 TPE difference for a pair of 2nds and a 3rd makes sense for the Rage. Their window with their current core is now and their bottom pairing was one of the more glaring weaknesses in a Conference full of stacked teams.

Faelax: I like this move from both sides. For the Platoon, they move out a valuable piece in Moore for a few nice draft picks. They are moving a couple pieces that don’t fit in with the younger members of their team and the prospects they have coming up soon. For the Rage, they add a defenseman with about 1400 TPE to their roster, who should slot in nicely on their second pair. Combine this with another trade that we talk about shortly, the Rage are going all in right now, trying to do everything they can to extend their cup window.

6/30/2020

TBB / NEW

To TBB

Benjamin blue

To NEW:

TEX S55 3rd(traded to LAP)

Luke: This is just TBB getting Blue back home for his final season in the league. Hopefully he can get a win or two.

grok: A good old hometown boy trade. Ben Blue wrote the recordbook in TBB, so even if he comes back in a supporting role it’s an all around fuzzy feelings trade here. Good on NEW for the fair value on an emotionally-driven deal.

Nham: Good guy New England sends the hometown boy back to finish it off in the colors that fit him the best.

6/30/2020

MAN / NEW

To MAN:
Ola Wagstrom

To NEW:
MAN S55 1st [Guðmundur Kristjánsson]
MAN S56 1st
MAN S56 3rd
Rainbow Dash

Nham: Immediately after being swept by Hamilton, Manhattan knew that in order to make any significant runs at a cup with the dwindling(continued amazing) prime seasons of Luke Thomason, Jax Aittokallio and Barret McCarthy, there needed to be even more scoring prowess. The Rage have struggled to score since the transition to FHM, being tied for 7th in the league for goals for (with two other teams). A respectable position but still not good enough to be a contender. The big three in the Great Lakes division put up more than a goal per game compared to Manhattan. Wagstrom’s scoring touch doesn’t simply add goals but it does make the rest of the team better by pushing others down in the lineup for a better competitive depth. The Rage paying 2x 1st rounders doesn’t seem that hefty when you consider Wagstrom’s TPE levels even under regression and returning Dash back to New England just feels right.

grok: This deal is a market maker. NEW had been struggling as a bubble team despite some serious firepower at the top of the roster and decided to rebuild instead of mortgaging the future. Ola Wagstrom is one of the league’s premier forwards and he demanded a premier price. Two firsts, a third, and a replacement level player to fill NEW’s roster is a gigantic ask, but fair for one of the most dedicated earners in the entire league. The Wagstrom trade was massive, fair, and would be a pivotal moment in the S54 offseason, setting the tone for a flurry of high value trades.

Faelax: Manhattan gave up a lot of assets here, but I think this a great trade for them. Wagstrom is the premiere goal scorer in the SHL, and he helps the Rage in the area they struggled with the most this season, scoring. With Wagstrom presumably on the top line with Thomason and Aittokaillo, they have a lethal scoring line that they hope will be putting up points left and right. New England on the other hand, they made the tough decision to rebuild after another disappointing season. They had some excellent pieces up and down the lineup, but could never seem to put it all together. But they did a good job of getting value out of their big names, picking up a haul for Wagstrom of two 1sts and a good forward in Rainbow Dash.

7/6/2020

BUF / BAP

To BUF:
WPG S57 2nd
SFP S55 3rd (Johnny Shuffleboard)

To BAP:
BAP S55 2nd (Lord Raiden)

Luke: These pick trades are Baltimore shedding some future assets to jump up in this season's draft. Trading their 55 2nd a while back, they traded for it back, and that pick is in a good position to draft a good player this draft.

Nham: Using the 2nd from the Yoshimitsu trade with Winnipeg, Baltimore upgrades their 3rd rounder into a high 2nd round pick where they picked up Lord Raiden. The Stampede got an extra 2nd round pick to hold onto as an asset in 2 seasons time and also picked up draft faller Johnny Shuffleboard so it’s hard to not say this feels like a clear Stampede landslide win considering what they came away with.

Faelax: This looked like a fair trade before the draft, but it looks like a win for the Stampede after the draft. Baltimore used that pick to select Lord Raiden, a solid center from the Raptors. Buffalo got the biggest faller of the draft in Johnny Shuffleboard, a defenseman many people had to go towards the end of the first round. The two are close in value, so we can call it a wash for now, but depending what the Stampede get out of that S57 2nd, it could be a huge win for Buffalo.

7/7/2020

CGY / NEW

To CGY:

Anders Christiansen

To NEW:
Shooter McGavin
CGY S55 3rd
CGY S56 3rd (Hubert Andrews)

Luke: Calgary buying in response to other teams in the west gearing up as well. They get Christiansen who isn't a high value target to get, but he is still fighting regression and should be a useful member for Calgary. On Top of that if expansion does come, they probably won't use one of their protection for Anders, with regression, which is not the case for other teams that are buying.

Nham: Similar to the Baltimore/Winnipeg trade, New England gets a couple assets for downgrading a couple hundred in TPE. It’s not a huge needle mover for Calgary as Christiansen will play somewhere in the top 6 but the cost wasn’t exorbitant either so there isn’t much to lament about. The first 3rd round pick turned into Hubert Andrews which could still turn into something.

Faelax: Calgary felt the pressure from other teams in the west buying, so they made a move to get Anders Christiansen. He is a nice depth forward who should be a good add to their bottom 6 forwards, and two 3rds and a replacement level forward are not a lot to give up to upgrade.

7/8/2020

TBB / HAM

To TBB:
Al Kayhall
HAM S56 4th

To HAM:
TBB S56 5th

Luke: This trade is Hamilton trying to shed some cap space, and TBB getting a player that is inactive? It certainly looks like it, so I dont know why TBB is only getting a reddit 4th for an inactive player. Unless he is coming back im not really sure what Tampa Bay gains in this trade.

Nham: Considering that it’s 4M that Tampa Bay is taking on for Hamilton, I’m kind of surprised that the Barracuda got so little. That being said, Hamilton was never in any major cap trouble anyways and this also does give an almost 700 TPE forward for Tampa to use as fodder for a while. It comes out to a small favor for both sides hence the minor payment.

7/8/2020

NEW / HAM

To NEW:
Troy McClure
Kriss Darzins
(Clean) Andrei Kostityn
HAM S55 1st (Ryan Rieley)
HAM S56 1st
HAM S57 1st
HAM S58 1st

To HAM:
Guy Zheng
Dick Clapper

Boom: Hamilton is sending a clear message here. After disappointment in the SHL finals being swept by the New Orleans Specters, they’re going all in for S55, trading away a veteran defenseman, two of the team’s better prospects in (Clean) Andrei Kostitsyn and Kriss Darzins, and a whopping four first-round picks to bring in two players in Guy Zheng and Dick Clapper on track to hit 2000 TPE. It’s a steep price to pay, but it’s well worth it if it leads to a championship. New England, meanwhile, gets an absolute haul while they continue to retool, shipping out veterans for picks and prospects.

Nham: While we thought that the market may have been set for a 2K tpe player with the Wagstrom trade, it’s clear that SHL GMs have no fear in spending 1st rounders like it’s tokens at Chuck E’ Cheese. There was quite a premium set on being able to acquire two 2K players, the most expensive part maybe being that both Zheng and Clapper are both S46 giving them one more season before regression, and even then several more seasons as top line players before regression hurts hard enough. To me that’s where the extra prospect cost comes in to compensate for that fact. Darzins and Andrei are on the lower end of their class but still continue to earn. The greatest concern is that both Zheng and Clapper are UFAs after this season so hopefully Hamilton will be able to seduce them with their late playoff runs.
As a team that has lately gained notoriety for being so successful with less TPE, this could exponentially help their team as the coaching has been able to do so much with so little.

Faelax: SHL GMs just don’t like keeping their 1st round picks I guess. A whopping four 1st rounders are going to New England in a trade that makes the McZ trade from a few seasons ago look small by comparison. Going to New England along with the picks are IA defenseman Troy McClure, and two good prospects in Kriss Darzins and (clean) Andrei Kostityn. Time will tell how this trade looks, but if New England can do well with those draft picks I think this is a great trade for them. Hamilton did well on this trade as well. While they gave up a lot to get them, Dick Clapper and Guy Zheng are both almost 2k TPE players, and you usually just don’t get the chance to add that much talent to your roster at once. Both of them should be game changers for the Steelhawks, who have typically done very well with a lower TPE roster.

7/8/2020

HAM / SFP

To SFP:

Geezuz Kryyst

To HAM:
SFP S57 1st
HAM S55 2nd (Jason Desrouleaux)
SFP S56 3rd*
Ian Venables

*If Pride makes the playoffs, the pick turns into a 2nd

Boom: In a vacuum, this trade seems like a pretty fair deal. Kryyst, while in regression, is still projected to end up around 1200 TPE, so the picks and Venables are a decent value, if a bit high for SFP’s payment. However, context makes this an extremely ill-advised trade for the Pride. Including Kryyst, San Francisco will have either eleven or twelve players on the roster in regression, missed the playoffs this past season, and won the first overall pick in this draft. Kryyst is on a two-year contract for the Pride, so there’s a decent chance that he gets overtaken by Cillian Kavanagh before the end of the contract. In this context, those picks that San Francisco gave up could have really helped them retool to replace aging players, as their prospect pool is rather shallow at the moment with only Sven Svenson and co-GM Thorbjorn Gunnarson still in the SMJHL. I also want to quickly mention what could be one of the oddest situations in the entire SHL: the contracts of Vince Reaper and Jeff Brogen. Both of them are backloaded deals that run until S119. While Brogen is still active, Reaper is not, and there is no mechanism in the SHL rules for automatic retirement for rostered players. The Pride could cut Reaper when he eventually drops below replacement level, but that comes at the low, low price of having to pay half his annual salary for the entire duration of the contract. While this isn’t too much of an issue between S59 and S86 as the cap penalty would only be $2 million a season, the penalty doubles to $4 million from S87 until the end of the contract. As for Hamilton, it is a bit of an odd deal as they just made one of the biggest trades in SHL history to buy for a run, but also dealt their starting goalie for a clear downgrade. I’m going to assume they have a plan in the works.

Nham: This is a strange trade all around no matter from what perspective you look at. While San Francisco gets an upgrade in net for an aging group, they already had a slight upgrade in the form of Cillian Kavangh being called up. With what Buffalo showed about the quality of team being able to cover for a weaker goalie and more, spending assets on a goalie when the rest of the team could be upgraded instead seems like a trade that doesn’t bring as much impact compared to other alternatives. The fact that you’re also trading a 1st and 2nd for this kind of hurts. As for Hamilton, while goaltending was an issue for them, it still seems sort of strange to be making a move like this to downgrade their goaltending when they are in their contending window. Something to consider is this might be a reshuffling of sorts where they’re looking to recoup some of the costs they paid for the massive pickups of Zheng and Clapper. If Hamilton does find success next season, then the trend to spend more on skaters and less on goalies will only continue.

Faelax: This trade doesn’t make much sense to me from the SFP side of things. You trade a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd to slightly upgrade your goalie, while still having a regressing roster all around him. In addition, the Pride have Cillian Kavanagh coming up to the team this season. He would have been a good solution to their goaltending woes from last season, but now you tell him he’s gotta sit as the backup for a couple seasons. It is such a bizarre move in my mind.

Part 2 coming soon

Pay Faelax, Nhamlet, Luketd, Grok, and Boom(thecanadiancanuck) for the words

RippleLuck · 07-20-2020, 06:08 PM

Nice article!

DeletedAtUserRequest · 07-20-2020, 06:10 PM

Great work as always fellas!

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Grapehead · 07-20-2020, 10:24 PM

Oof

*fishy* · 07-20-2020, 11:23 PM

07-20-2020, 10:24 PMGrapehead Wrote: Oof

Are they wrong tho? (They aren’t)

Grapehead · 07-21-2020, 08:26 AM

07-20-2020, 11:23 PMjfisherr Wrote:
07-20-2020, 10:24 PMGrapehead Wrote: Oof

Are they wrong tho? (They aren’t)

Let's see... there was the comparison to Buffalo getting by with a lower TPE goalie, who btw didn't win the Challenge Cup, and also have a ton of players over 1800 TPE, so it's not really a good comparison to our situation. A ~400 TPE increase isn't a "slight" upgrade in goal either. We traded a 2nd from a draft we were carrying a 1st and three 2nds, and traded a conditional 3rd from a draft where we were carrying two extra 3rds. The 1st is a gamble, but we're hardly the first team to gamble a 1st round pick. Just a couple of things I thought they were completely off base on.

*fishy* · 07-21-2020, 09:05 AM

07-21-2020, 08:26 AMGrapehead Wrote:
07-20-2020, 11:23 PMjfisherr Wrote: Are they wrong tho? (They aren’t)

Let's see... there was the comparison to Buffalo getting by with a lower TPE goalie, who btw didn't win the Challenge Cup, and also have a ton of players over 1800 TPE, so it's not really a good comparison to our situation. A ~400 TPE increase isn't a "slight" upgrade in goal either. We traded a 2nd from a draft we were carrying a 1st and three 2nds, and traded a conditional 3rd from a draft where we were carrying two extra 3rds. The 1st is a gamble, but we're hardly the first team to gamble a 1st round pick. Just a couple of things I thought they were completely off base on.

So you gave up a first round pick and likely two seconds, assuming you make the playoffs, for a 400 tpe upgrade on the most random position in FHM where the only thing that seems to matter is a goalie’s heat level? At the very least it’s an absurd overpay

Grapehead · 07-21-2020, 09:13 AM

07-21-2020, 09:05 AMjfisherr Wrote:
07-21-2020, 08:26 AMGrapehead Wrote: Let's see... there was the comparison to Buffalo getting by with a lower TPE goalie, who btw didn't win the Challenge Cup, and also have a ton of players over 1800 TPE, so it's not really a good comparison to our situation. A ~400 TPE increase isn't a "slight" upgrade in goal either. We traded a 2nd from a draft we were carrying a 1st and three 2nds, and traded a conditional 3rd from a draft where we were carrying two extra 3rds. The 1st is a gamble, but we're hardly the first team to gamble a 1st round pick. Just a couple of things I thought they were completely off base on.

So you gave up a first round pick and likely two seconds, assuming you make the playoffs, for a 400 tpe upgrade on the most random position in FHM where the only thing that seems to matter is a goalie’s heat level? At the very least it’s an absurd overpay

I'm not saying there's no risk in the trade, all trades have risk, but what I'm trying to highlight is that the risk was calculated based on the draft capital we had stocked up.

***luke*** · 07-21-2020, 09:21 AM

07-21-2020, 09:13 AMGrapehead Wrote:
07-21-2020, 09:05 AMjfisherr Wrote: So you gave up a first round pick and likely two seconds, assuming you make the playoffs, for a 400 tpe upgrade on the most random position in FHM where the only thing that seems to matter is a goalie’s heat level? At the very least it’s an absurd overpay

I'm not saying there's no risk in the trade, all trades have risk, but what I'm trying to highlight is that the risk was calculated based on the draft capital we had stocked up.

I know I didn’t comment this on this article. But on the R&L podcast that draft capital could have been used to strengthen weak parts of your roster that’s not your goalie with imo, better results

Grapehead · 07-21-2020, 09:23 AM

07-21-2020, 09:21 AMluketd Wrote:
07-21-2020, 09:13 AMGrapehead Wrote: I'm not saying there's no risk in the trade, all trades have risk, but what I'm trying to highlight is that the risk was calculated based on the draft capital we had stocked up.

I know I didn’t comment this on this article. But on the R&L podcast that draft capital could have been used to strengthen weak parts of your roster that’s not your goalie with imo, better results

Goaltending was the weak part of our roster though

***luke*** · 07-21-2020, 09:27 AM

07-21-2020, 09:23 AMGrapehead Wrote:
07-21-2020, 09:21 AMluketd Wrote: I know I didn’t comment this on this article. But on the R&L podcast that draft capital could have been used to strengthen weak parts of your roster that’s not your goalie with imo, better results

Goaltending was the weak part of our roster though

With the way FHM deals with goalies I don’t think so. You got a good defense but the forwards is where I saw the weakness. Atleast that’s my opinion

*Katth* · 07-21-2020, 09:41 AM

07-21-2020, 09:27 AMluketd Wrote:
07-21-2020, 09:23 AMGrapehead Wrote: Goaltending was the weak part of our roster though

With the way FHM deals with goalies I don’t think so. You got a good defense but the forwards is where I saw the weakness. Atleast that’s my opinion

I agree and I think it sends a really bad message to Kavanagh.

S50 Challenge Cup Finals Game 7
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Samsung virtual assistant · 07-21-2020, 11:38 AM

Y'all ugly bullies

***luke*** · 07-21-2020, 11:48 AM

07-21-2020, 11:38 AMスウェグキング Wrote: Y'all ugly bullies

We are just giving our opinions on the matter. I don’t want a man to quit the shl over it, but people have the right to think a trade is bad.

And we could be wrong. Kryyst could be the X factor for SFP. But we just have a difference of opinion

PremierBromanov · 07-21-2020, 11:50 AM

this is the post that killed grape

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