The sooner you retire the more TPE you get since regression would ruin your player[/b]
But what would the scale be? Would 50 be the max? 50 is not going to make me retire, honestly. The short-term gains aren't really important when the SHL is the top dog for a returning player. The SMJHL is much more important for the newcomers because it is the first league they are a part of on this site, and that is the league where they learn the nuances of the site and what it means to make a player here. It is not the same thing for a returning guy (at least based on the recreates I have drafted and my own preference)
<!--QuoteBegin-,Jul 14 2015@ 06:08 PM [b]Also TPE is TPE so they are the same. 155 TPE is a lot and the 50 TPE from the recuitment drive is a lot. I don't see why the 50TPE from retirement would be useless. A TPE is a TPE regardless if it's recuirtment drive or what not... especially if it's free TPE.[/b][/quote]
Um, no. You cannot just remove the context behind when and how they earn that TPE and act like they are the exact same. I already explained why the context is important in those particular examples you mentioned.
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Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jul 14 2015, 03:50 PM
But what would the scale be? Would 50 be the max? 50 is not going to make me retire, honestly. The short-term gains aren't really important when the SHL is the top dog for a returning player. The SMJHL is much more important for the newcomers because it is the first league they are a part of on this site, and that is the league where they learn the nuances of the site and what it means to make a player here. It is not the same thing for a returning guy (at least based on the recreates I have drafted and my own preference)
Um, no. You cannot just remove the context behind when and how they earn that TPE and act like they are the exact same. I already explained why the context is important in those particular examples you mentioned.
Of course 50 is going to make you retire if you are going to be regressing. I would rather get 50 TPE than 0 TPE if i retire much later with a crappy player.
And no. in this situation TPE is TPE. Would i rather get 50 TPE for free or 50 TPE making articles and shit. Of course I'll take the free 50 TPE. That means 50 TPE matters even though it is a small amount.
I've skimmed the thread, so pardon if this has already been brought up:
We don't provide Pension or Free TPE to retiring players for a reason: We want the league to be an even playing field. Sure, the best of the best SHLers would like to be at the top of their class, but I think that telling a True Rookie that they can be at the top of their Draft Class if they work hard is a compelling reason for someone to become active. And in the end, promoting growth and New -> Active members is more important than making retired players feel special, especially if you consider the bottom-line fairness of the TPE Distribution.
Quote:Originally posted by Whikadoodle@Jul 14 2015, 04:01 PM I've skimmed the thread, so pardon if this has already been brought up:
We don't provide Pension or Free TPE to retiring players for a reason: We want the league to be an even playing field. Sure, the best of the best SHLers would like to be at the top of their class, but I think that telling a True Rookie that they can be at the top of their Draft Class if they work hard is a compelling reason for someone to become active. And in the end, promoting growth and New -> Active members is more important than making retired players feel special, especially if you consider the bottom-line fairness of the TPE Distribution.
Then you'll forever have a system of a top heavy league just like the current SHL which makes it difficult for new players to climb up the SHL.
Then you'll forever have a system of a top heavy league just like the current SHL which makes it difficult for new players to climb up the SHL.
Then make regression harsher (which has been discussed) or think of a better way to incentivize players to retire without alienating new players.
Do you really think that new users won't feel like they are a step below recreates and lose interest more quickly if they start out with 200 TPE instead of 155? You don't understand how much a difference that is in the minors?
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Quote:Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 05:28 PM
The Top 7 rookies have at least 100 TPE, Top 5 145, Top 3 195. And because they all have jobs they are earning 12-19 TPE a week while we are all maxing out with our 8/9 per week.
Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jul 14 2015, 04:07 PM
Then make regression harsher (which has been discussed) or think of a better way to incentivize players to retire without alienating new players.
You said that 50 TPE isn't that much and wouldn't be an incentive for older players so I don't see how that would be alienating new players if it isn't even an incentive for older players at all..
50 TPE wouldn't make a difference. It wouldn't only be a difference on the first season. In addition to that, there are different kinda of older players. Some older players are just semi active from the league and thus wouldn't even compete with the newer players
Also in addition, they would only get 50 TPE in the first place if they have achieved 1000 TPE and less if they achieved less than that.
A combination of regression and this incentive would be good.
The newer player will still get their 150 TPE and all the point task TPE... i don't see how this alienates newer players.
Quote:Originally posted by ,Jul 14 2015@ 07:10 PM The newer player will still get their 150 TPE and all the point task TPE... i don't see how this alienates newer players.
Because like I have said several times they start out with a handicap and are unable to compete with the best recreates due to that 50 TPE boost the recreates get.
When you are starting out and you have to compete not only against send-downs (which is hopefully going to be less of an issue with expansion) but also recreates with a big lead on you TPE-wise. That can be a big issue for players, and could have been an issue for me if that was something I had to deal with my first year here.
Context is important. 50 TPE will matter to newcomers who are starting out, and won't matter as much for a long-term player.
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Quote:Originally posted by ArGarBarGar@Jul 14 2015, 04:17 PM
Because like I have said several times they start out with a handicap and are unable to compete with the best recreates due to that 50 TPE boost the recreates get.
When you are starting out and you have to compete not only against send-downs (which is hopefully going to be less of an issue with expansion) but also recreates with a big lead on you TPE-wise. That can be a big issue for players, and could have been an issue for me if that was something I had to deal with my first year here.
Context is important. 50 TPE will matter to newcomers who are starting out, and won't matter as much for a long-term player.
50 TPE isn't an amount that unables the newer players to not compete.... There's an update scale ffs.
50 TPE isn't a big lead. Not everyone will be getting 50 TPE. Players will be getting the percentage of their actual TPE for their newer players. It's only merely suggested that 50 TPE for 1000 TPE so that would be less for less than 1000 TPE. That is only 5% retained.
So not being able to compete? No, because there is only a set number of players that will retire and not everyone will have 1000 TPE unless if the SHL continues the system that they are currently on.
The send downs are another problem that requires SMJHL to expand but that shouldn't be accounted to passing down of TPE because it can be solved entirely on its own.
And even the SHL expansion could help the send downs because there would be more room in the SHL. It's on its own and can be made to not be affected by retirement incentives.
And another problem tied to it is the continuous top heavy system of the SHL that makes it harder for the send downs to climb up. You can change many parts of a system to affect one part of it indirectly.
Fairness of TPE distribution wouldn't be widening the SHL/SMJHL gap by having equipment be capped and remove +5 training completely from juniors.
But seriously, the VHL gives extra TPE to recreates when they don't bother when you create to make an actual build? Didn't notice that at first but even less of an incentive for me to try building my player if I am a step behind the Old Boys club no matter what I do.
Quote:Originally posted by Mac@Jul 14 2015, 04:24 PM But seriously, the VHL gives extra TPE to recreates when they don't bother when you create to make an actual build? Didn't notice that at first but even less of an incentive for me to try building my player if I am a step behind the Old Boys club no matter what I do.
It's a good point. However, they do offer a lot of incentives to people when they first join that can allow you to be on par with a recreate right away.
Quote:Originally posted by Mac@Jul 14 2015, 08:24 PM Fairness of TPE distribution wouldn't be widening the SHL/SMJHL gap by having equipment be capped and remove +5 training completely from juniors.
But seriously, the VHL gives extra TPE to recreates when they don't bother when you create to make an actual build? Didn't notice that at first but even less of an incentive for me to try building my player if I am a step behind the Old Boys club no matter what I do.
But when Maxy told you to recreate as a skater instead of a goalie a long time ago due to the odds being against you, you were motivated to prove him wrong????
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