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stud · 07-14-2015, 05:08 PM

SHL vs VHL Review

This will be a review of the two most popular create-a-player league on the internet. The VHL boasts their simplicity and that is the reason why they are still active. The SHL boasts their large player base and that is why many members still remain loyal. Tonight, we will be judging both these teams on point task efficiency,
point task method, seniority, cash and contract, junior league, and homeliness. We will be revealing once and for all which of these teams is the best team on the internet. The winner of this contest will get a very big bragging rights that will be revealed at the end of this article. Stay tuned!

Point Task Efficiency

Simulation Hockey League: The Simulation Hockey League spreads point tasks around. In simpler words, for new players, there is just too much to keep track of.
These can probably be classified in time occurrence categories:
Weekly: Activity Check, Twitter, Workout
Seasonly: Equipment, Team Training Camp, Re-occuring PTs (Prediciton, Mock Draft), Fantasy League, Recruitment Drive
Anytime: Various Point Task, some random crap that the commish made up because it sounds cool but ruins TPE.

These are probably not the only ways to earn, there can be more. This really makes it confusing for new players and can take a very long time to get everything. So for new players, they will probably spend some time before discovering that you can earn TPE from SHL fantasy for example.

With the SHL growing TPE problem, it can really be difficult to fix it with all these TPE handed out. These were released over time and that means if they want to remove it, they would also have to do it over time.

SHL Grade 5/10: SHL does an average job but there are many problems that arise with it. The SHL failed to realize the impact it will have for new players.

Victory Hockey League: Victory Hockey League's point task system is fairly straight forward.:
You make graphics or an article per week to have a chance to earn up to 6 TPE. If you can't do it, you can opt to a pension for 2 TPE
You create a short article for 1 TPE
You have a fantasy zone for guess the score, or winner, which by far surpasses SHL's fantasy league. It's simple and efficient and everyone gets to participate.
Or you can have a league job that pays a certain amount of TPE. Since the VHL doesn't have that much members, getting in on one of these is probably pretty easy if they have an opening
You go to facility if you are a VHLMer for 1 TPE

VHL Grade 8/10. I really like how the VHL is set up. It was tough getting used to the way to earn TPE at first and probably still struggle but despite that, it offers a more cleaner and more efficient league. It's way easier to memorise what to do than with the SHL. The only thing is that I joined the SHL when it was only training and various PT throughout the league and things were added over time and that is why it was much simpler to know what to do.

Point Task Method

Simulation Hockey League: The SHL's official point task are shitty. You write some random 500 word article and you do some random crap graphics. This is like the VHL's weekly point task but you are restricted to whatever they say. This is good except for the restriction applied. There has to be a bigger subject of what is being written. For example, write about stars... they could write about Toronto North Stars, a star in one team, or even star gazing with a team for some training shit or something. But still it offers creativity and they are not stuck with... an interview.....

The bigger problem is that you don't earn the full amount of TPE unlike the past seasons. This is the definition of making the SHL more VHLize. However, I am impressed by the categories in the most recent point task of the way you can earn or lose points in the SHL point task. Putting a header will net you the 1 TPE for example. I am not impressed with the point tasks that came before that though since you wont know if you are losing those TPE or not. There's a difference between actual forced bad grammar and accidental bad grammar because forced bad grammar would appear way more frequently per article and accidental will appear rarely per article. In addition to that, the "well researched" or if it's not is a very vague term.

Graphics PTs are another problem. For example, the being traded and putting logos on shirt PT, I disagree with half of those gradings. There are many people with the grade of +3 got +2 and there are also some people that got +3 that had the quality of people that got +2. I'll be damned if they don't put the players in a hat and pick out of it whoever is getting +3.

Overall the SHL PTs have been VHLize. Not only can you miss out on a point task because they have a week deadline, you can lose TPE if the grader thinks you did a shit job.

Not only that but if the TPE cap is 35TPE for example, they will only offer 35 TPE or around that, making you not really able to achieve the cap if you missed a week.

This is a different method from before because back in the old days, you can get full amount for a small number of words (200) and they dont grade you on well researched or not and don't care about your grammar.

Then SHL evolved into needing longer words and well researched but they made you be able to do both writing and graphics, and they dont have a set deadline. The SHL also made extra PT so you can achieve the point task cap. These two are way better system than the current one

The uncapped TPE is another problem and that is where the SHL fails. For the uncapped PTs, I am not a fan of their non-existent structure.

SHL Grade: 4.5/10 - SHL spirals downwards in this category per season. The previous point tasks would have been 7/10 grade. I also see no problems with them. Some could argue that people will just log in in the final week and do all the point task but they would have to do the work in the first place.

Other than that, 35 TPE.... is really non existant from the amount of TPE they give out per season. But that doesn't mean it has to be ignored and will have a higher grade. It just means that they really fail.

Victory Hockey League:

Victory Hockey League is simple but very punishing. However, it is way less punishing now than before. If you miss a point task, you would forever lose 6TPE but with their pension plan, you will only lose 4 TPE. You will also HAVE to commit every week if you want your player to be good, unlike the SHL where you can miss a point task and still be able to do something else to achieve point task cap.

VHL suffers from their deadline and as well as the quality of articles they ask. Not only this but most of VHL articles are league related (top player, all stars, etc.) and this can be difficult for new players who has no clue about the league history. The VHL really needs to have their history out there for me to like the VHL point task method. This would give good ideas for articles.

For their graphics, They need to expand it. Sigs are great but there are way more graphics than just sigs. Infographic of VHL history would be great, cards, design, etc. These are good possibilities than just sigs. Not to say they don't accept those but the quality put in some of those is way higher than sigs. Infographics needs researching for example

VHL Grade: 4/10 - I don't think the VHL system is that much worse than the SHL. The only thing bad is that you lose more TPE by not doing point tasks whereas in the SHL they shower you with uncapped point tasks so that 35 TPE will come out as 20% of the total point earned in that season.

Seniority
Simulation Hockey League:
SHL doesn't really treat their seniors right. Once a player retires, he isn't given any incentives at all. They start with the typical 150 TPE just like the new players. This is why the SHL has had problems of not too many people retiring and many people opposing harsher retirement rules. The SHL babies their members too much. The only positive about being a senior in the SHL is that you get a higher chance of getting Management jobs, league jobs, and all these positional titles

SHL Grade: 3/10 - The SHL really fails in this section. However, the SHL has had very many member retained because it's easier to do point tasks than the VHL and as well as it is a very active league which entices many players in coming back.

Victory Hockey League:

The VHL offers retiring members TPE to recreating players. This will really attract members to retire and recreate a player and is healthy for the league. The cycle will continue in the VHL and they will not have a player population of Star players making them generic type of players. Not only this but the VHL also offers additional TPE for pension plans. If they have created a 400 TPE player, they can earn +3 for free in exchange doing a horrid article or graphics. If they created 2 400 TPE players, that will bring it up to +4. They can also upgrade these upgrades to add another +1. So +5 per week for nothing. They can literally earn these for nothing because of seniority.

VHL Grade: 8/10 - The VHL treats their long time members really well.

Cash and Contract

Simulation Hockey League

The SHL's cash can be spent for weekly training and that is it. For such a widely used currency, it offers no alternative at all. SHL also awards 350k for a 600 word article. This is only 1 TPE. VHL offers a possible 6 TPE for a 600 word article. That's quite absurd. Their media grading is worst than the VHL and requires more than the VHL. You also have to do it weekly like the VHL but the SHL requires more words written than the VHL.

A positive about this system is that you can do as many articles as you want compared to the VHL which you will be forced to do only one article for 600 words. Jumping around as you get ideas is much easier than taking one idea, breaking that apart, analyzing that, and then making a clear concise article about it.

SHL really needs more methods to spend cash. Right now, they only have equipments as an alternative and we all know that equipments are way more expensive and........... THEY COUNT AS TPE CAP IN THE JUNIORS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??? There's a reason why no one buys these. Not only is it too expensive, but you are also limited to that particular attribute that you have to add. So you have to add fighting with checking and strength for example than choosing one yourself.

SHL Grade: 6/10 - SHL needs more variety for such a league that uses cash extensively. You need to write more words than the VHL to achieve +5 but you can achieve +5 and not forced to a +3 if you wrote a shitty article. You can use your contract for a cushion if you can't do an article the next day. You can also write the crappiest article you can imagine as long as it has many words in it which makes it easier.

Victory Hockey League:

Their only cash are contracts. That's totally okay. They are also creative with their cash as you can spend it in various things, such as increase pension, increase prediction TPE, slow regression, and more. Pretty good things to choose from. The thing I am not sure about is if you can keep your salary for the next season so they can stack up. The VHL is creative and simple but not fancy. While this is the case, the VHL's really complements their style.

In addition to this, this means that contract actually means a thing in the VHL since there isn't anymore ways to earn cash.

VHL Grade: 7/10 - Clear, concise, and it complements well with their system. It gives users choice on their career path which is really enjoyable.

Junior League

Simulation Hockey League
I must say that the SHL's junior hockey league is very good. The junior locker rooms are fairly active and as well as informative. The thing I like about the SMJHL is that the season's are not useless. It actually means a thing. The general managers in the SMJHL actually has to do a good job. They will have full rosters even though the players are inactive so it doesn't feel like you are playing with generic players all the time. They have an identity. They have a rivalry.

The SMJHL players actually enjoy being in the SMJHL.

SHL Grade: 9/10 - The SMJHL is one of the good things going on in the SHL and it is probably why the SHL has many active members that stay. A good junior league means the member will like the league more. It's usually the first impression of a league. It's like saying, if this is the SMJHL, I wonder what the SHL would be like.

Victory Hockey League - The VHLM is lackluster. There is nothing good going with it. You just want to have a good player to get out of VHLM as soon as possible but that isn't possible with the snail's pace TPE they give out per week if you can't do point tasks. There will be players scoring 4 point per game and it's a shame. Rosters are usually filled with bots that makes experience so bad. Because of this, it feels like the VHLM doesn't matter at all. So far, I can't feel the rivlary in the VHLM, no story line, and no hype behind it. It's just a generic league.

VHL Grade: 3/10 - The VHLM is really boring. Junior leagues are a first impression. This is probably why VHL doesn't have that much active members. If they fix VHLM, I bet VHL's activity will boom.

Homeliness

Simulation Hockey League

This is probably what the SHL can advertise about to make people join their league. The locker rooms in the SHL are very active (or atleast the ones that I am and was on: Blizz, Kelowna, Dragons). You have people to get to know, ask questions, and talk to. The SHL puts a very big emphasis and priority in their locker rooms.

While the SHL has more shitstorms and arguments, this is because it is a way more active league than the VHL. If you have an active league, that means you have many people, and some that might bump heads. Arguments and shitstorms aren't a bad thing. They are the cause of an active league. No shitstorms or argument would mean the league is stagnant.

SHL Grade - 7/10 - SHL's activity gives them an extra advantage over the VHL. What's really good about the SHL is that when you go to articles, there are many trash talk, and discussions. Also SHL has more drama so they also get an extra 0.5 points over the VHL

Victory Hockey League
(Only in the VHLM) their LRs aren't really active. I've been in 4 VHLM teams and they are empty most of the time. What has improved is that their LR now has information for new players. The LRs I was on in the old days didn't have these. Took them long enough to have it a norm in the league. Site wide, they are basically like the SHL. You can get to know people, etc. You can bring activity if you want to bring activity.

VHL Grade - 4.5/10 - VHL gets just a below average grade. I really want to give them an average grade but I just can't. The VHL isn't bad and welcomes new players and people. What's bringing VHL down is that the site is like a ghost town most of the time.

Overall Score:

Simulation Hockey League:
Point Task Efficiency - 5/10
Point Task Method - 4.5/10
Seniority - 3/10
Cash and Contract - 6/10
Junior League - 9/10
Homeliness - 7/10
Final - 5.75/10 - Too much water

Victory Hockey League
Point Task Efficiency - 8/10
Point Task Method - 4/10
Seniority - 8/10
Cash and Contract - 7/10
Junior League - 3/10
Homeliness - 4.5/10
Final - 5.75/10 - Way too much water

Conclusion:

As we can see, the SHL and the VHL are tied for 5.75 points! Who would have known that this would happen. We have other ratings for future issues between the battle of these two titans. I can't judge them with the following criteria yet because I have yet to experience it from either the VHL or the SHL.

Other ratings: Since I haven't been in the SHL for a long time, there are some ratings that I cannot rate for the VHL. These ratings include:

Transition: The transition it takes to the junior league to the big club. SHL Grade: 7/10
Effort to create a star player: I have seen SHL players say that it takes more effort to create a star VHL player than an SHL player and I wanna see if this is the case. SHL Grade: 5/10
Welcome Committee Special case since I know VHL welcome committee but not SHL since I'm not a new member. VHL Grade: 9/10
Regression: We all know what this is. I haven't had a regressing player in the VHL yet. SHL Grade: 2/10

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Birks · 07-14-2015, 05:21 PM

SHL may not be that creative, but I prefer realism over that. SHL's a lot better league in general, It seems so realistic. There are guys who run rumor accounts and even some have took it over to the Twitter. I enjoy SHL a lot. I joined VHL 2 times, both times left after 2-3 weeks. Also it's WAY too unrealistic IMO. It's bullshit if you can use money to reduce regression etc lol.

stud · 07-14-2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 14 2015, 01:21 PM
SHL may not be that creative, but I prefer realism over that. SHL's a lot better league in general, It seems so realistic. There are guys who run rumor accounts and even some have took it over to the Twitter. I enjoy SHL a lot. I joined VHL 2 times, both times left after 2-3 weeks. Also it's WAY too unrealistic IMO. It's bullshit if you can use money to reduce regression etc lol.

No such thing as realism. It's a simulation league. There are different things between simulation and reality that can never be achieved by either one.

SHL is no more realistic than the VHL when you can become a super star in 3 seasons and never ever regress at all.....

Birks · 07-14-2015, 05:27 PM

Quote:Originally posted by ,Jul 14 2015@ 11:23 PM

No such thing as realism. It's a simulation league. There are different things between simulation and reality that can never be achieved by either one.

SHL is no more realistic than the VHL when you can become a super star in 3 seasons and never ever regress at all.....

Well, 1st overall picks even in real life are superstars in 3 seasons. I dont know what counts a superstar. We dont have that many PPG players in the league IMO. Regression should be harder too, but it's not that bad too. VHL is super hard for me. That doesn't seem like a community to me. There are never discussions, anything like that. Only what I see is ways to earn TPE and the sim. Even LRs are dead! LR is the most part of the league IMO.

xDParK · 07-14-2015, 05:27 PM

In on 20 page shit storm

Mac · 07-14-2015, 05:28 PM

There is definitely no way this could turn into a shitstorm

Edit: LOL PARK

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xDParK · 07-14-2015, 05:29 PM

Inb4 Victor

Birks · 07-14-2015, 05:29 PM

I am here to defend the SHL brothers and sisters!
SHL >> VHL

Mac · 07-14-2015, 05:30 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 14 2015, 06:27 PM

Well, 1st overall picks even in real life are superstars in 3 seasons. I dont know what counts a superstar. We dont have that many PPG players in the league IMO. Regression should be harder too, but it's not that bad too. VHL is super hard for me. That doesn't seem like a community to me. There are never discussions, anything like that. Only what I see is ways to earn TPE and the sim. Even LRs are dead! LR is the most part of the league IMO.

System here needs to be fixed where you are just not able to max out anything besides 1-2 stats ever and just be really good at the rest.

I am starting to get tired of my player already, a maxed out player is boring as shit and not what I wanted my player to be but I feel I am being forced to max out my stats just so I can adequately compete with the rest of the top lines in the league. It adds no strategy whatsoever, makes the entirety of the SHL senseless since every single player turns out exactly the same.

I know I had the debatable Colt for O'Callahan thing, maybe not season total wise but attribute wise, my player is comparable at 5 seasons to a 12 season vet. That should not be possible.

It's like Gretzky, Orr, Lemeiux, Howe and Richard all jerked into a test tube and nine months later out popped our leaderboard.

Ferdy · 07-14-2015, 05:30 PM

Quote:Originally posted by xDParK@Jul 14 2015, 05:27 PM
In on 20 page shit storm

Corco · 07-14-2015, 05:30 PM

Both are average

Molholt · 07-14-2015, 05:32 PM

Can't wait to see all of the stupid ass comments from SHL and VHL supporters alike.

I just wanted to say that I think this is overall a pretty solid review of both sites. As a member of both, I fucking hate that it turns into a pissing contest anytime we discuss them, because they both have their merits.

If they were the same, I wouldn't be a part of both. Good article.

stud · 07-14-2015, 05:33 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Birks@Jul 14 2015, 01:27 PM

Well, 1st overall picks even in real life are superstars in 3 seasons. I dont know what counts a superstar. We dont have that many PPG players in the league IMO. Regression should be harder too, but it's not that bad too. VHL is super hard for me. That doesn't seem like a community to me. There are never discussions, anything like that. Only what I see is ways to earn TPE and the sim. Even LRs are dead! LR is the most part of the league IMO.

But I just said in the article that they aren't that active. It's not about saying that they are not active but suggesting how it would be improved and I as well said some possibilities in the articles.

And it's not only 1st overall that becomes superstars in 3 seasons, anyone can become a superstar in 3 seasons lol. Not only that, if they become a superstar for sometime in their career, the possibility is that they wont even regress at all lol. No realism. everyone is Jaromir Jagr.

xDParK · 07-14-2015, 05:34 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Jackson@Jul 14 2015, 05:32 PM
Can't wait to see all of the stupid ass comments from SHL and VHL supporters alike.

I just wanted to say that I think this is overall a pretty solid review of both sites. As a member of both, I fucking hate that it turns into a pissing contest anytime we discuss them, because they both have their merits.

If they were the same, I wouldn't be a part of both. Good article.

Jogurtaa · 07-14-2015, 05:37 PM

I actually like both. There are things that are better in SHL and some in VHL. IMO they kind of complete each other :D

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