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Originally posted by ,Jul 14 2015@ 05:19 PM



yep 14 tpe. The number can be adjusted though. I just dont wanna do the math but the general idea is that job and nonjob tpe have different percentage.
And could also do weighed or non-weighed.

If the 7 TPE simmer is in place for article. then they aren't allowed to do article and I think that would totally be fine (they earn an extra tpe than non-simmers). That can be let go for it not having harsher carryover. i think that's fine imo.

2 TPE for a job isn't also a problem as long as it's limited to 1 job per VHLer i guess. (though I know that might be impossible because of the amount of members that they have)

They are only given an extra 1 TPE for swimming because it in place of the VHL article that non-simmers can submit each week.

Every VHL member is only allowed one job anyways.

So that close to 576 TPE player would get 14 TPE carryover. If we were to look at what he actually would get currently it's: 39 TPE. Which is made up for pretty damn easy at the start with a new member.

VHL and SHL are totally different in that area. But so are the ways to earn TPE like you said and SHL is a tad too easy.

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Originally posted by C.J.@Jul 14 2015, 08:17 PM

Go suggest something then, no one stopping anyone from speaking up over there. All the talk over here is great, but if you don't speak up where you don't agree, then it won't be looked at.

I started playing in sim leagues a few months ago; I have been in the VHL for just going on four weeks now. I do not have the answers, let me get my feet wet and when I've been around long enough to understand the Why instead of the What I will be more than happy to suggest something. I realize you (a collective, unspecific, general you; not you C.J.) are probably thinking along the lines of 'if you aren't going to try to help change something for the better you shouldn't be complaining about anything.' But as a new member who is just honestly spitting out what he is seeing the onus should be on the established members of the community to either make the changes or educate the new member.

And I have to say, I would be more willing to speak out openly over there if the majority of VHL supporters I've spoken with over here could talk about the issues being talked about now as constructively as you have.

Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 05:13 PM





That's really not what you asked.  But more importantly, it is not really the point.  People were preaching that if a newcommer works hard they can be just as good as the recreates in their class and that is really just a lie.  There are incentives for sure for newcommers sure, but don't ignore the recreate incentives.

Beansobie is a member of the VHL for less then a month, people can have skewed views when it seems like older members can earn more TPE then they can. He's not completely wrong to do so when there was things like the team PT, VHL TTC, fan league payout, Quiz payouts, etc. He joined right before the season started IIRC, and lots of people were able to jump up in big amounts of TPE in a short time frame.

I know I was quoting you Bean, but I don't feel like finding Boom's posts.

Sachimo Zoidberg III - 1,166 TPE - Dragons
SHL Regular Season
S58 - 66GP-8G-20A-28P-+45-115SOG-54H-52SB
S59 - 66GP-4G-27A-31P-+29-148SOG-40H-82SB
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SHL Playoffs
S58 - 5GP-0G-2A-2P--2-5SOG-6H-8SB
S59 - 6GP-0G-2A-2P--1-11SOG-4H-11SB
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SHL Totals
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SMJHL Regular Season
S55 - 50GP-5G-14A-19P--39-91SOG-41H-127SB
S56 - 50GP-5G-12A-17P-+4-86SOG-10H-96SB
S57 - 66GP-4G-9A-13P--25-90SOG-59H-145SB
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SMJHL Playoffs
S55 - 4GP-0G-0A-0P-0-6SOG-5H-11SB
S56 - 5GP-1G-2A-3P--2-7SOG-0H-11SB
S57 - 5GP-0G-1A-1P--3-8SOG-3H-7SB
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SMJHL Totals
Final - 180GP-15G-38A-53P--65-289SOG-118H-397SB
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International Play
S55 - 15GP-1G-2A-3P-+7-9SOG-4H-11SB
S56 - 15GP-1G-5A-6P-+5-14SOG-6H-19SB
S57 - 12GP-0G-1A-1P-+2-21SOG-13H-28SB
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Achievements
S55-Drafted 44th Overall by Nevada (4th Round)
S55-Silver Medal in WJC with Canada
S55-All-SMJHL Rookie Team
S56-Drafted 13th Overall by Calgary (1st Round)
S56-Gold Medal in WJC with Canada

Originally posted by C.J.@Jul 14 2015, 05:30 PM

They are only given an extra 1 TPE for swimming because it in place of the VHL article that non-simmers can submit each week.

Every VHL member is only allowed one job anyways.

So that close to 576 TPE player would get 14 TPE carryover. If we were to look at what he actually would get currently it's: 39 TPE. Which is made up for pretty damn easy at the start with a new member.

VHL and SHL are totally different in that area. But so are the ways to earn TPE like you said and SHL is a tad too easy.

But the thing is that


if SHL has an incentive, everyone would be progressing the same afterwards that is why a small incentive doesn't matter

so if a new player has 150 tpe (base) vs old player 200 tpe (with extra 50 incentive for 1k TPE), then they would have the same progression

In VHL even though they have an incentive, the progression is different because of that job TPE
so if the new player gets 0 TPE and old player gets for example 50 TPE, the old player would continue to trend up because of the TPE they are getting for their job.

I don't know what the new players will earn that will have an advantage vs old recreates
Correct me if i'm wrong but
10 TPE TC = Once per career. So recreate can do this unless if I'm mistaken
Rookie profile - 8TPE? = Once per career
VHLM facility = only VHLMers so old players can do it to.
First 3 articles = per user or per player?
VHLM prediciton = only VHLMers can do it but recreates and non-recreates can do it

I don't see what new players can do that a recreate can't do yet. so the recreates have carryover plus they have the progression advantage if they have a job.

If the job deduction percentage is too redundant (it looks like it because they aren't even earning that much) then I think reducing the carryover is the solution.

Discord are for plebs

Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 05:32 PM


I started playing in sim leagues a few months ago; I have been in the VHL for just going on four weeks now.  I do not have the answers, let me get my feet wet and when I've been around long enough to understand the Why instead of the What I will be more than happy to suggest something.  I realize you (a collective, unspecific, general you; not you C.J.) are probably thinking along the lines of 'if you aren't going to try to help change something for the better you shouldn't be complaining about anything.'  But as a new member who is just honestly spitting out what he is seeing the onus should be on the established members of the community to either make the changes or educate the new member.

And I have to say, I would be more willing to speak out openly over there if the majority of VHL supporters I've spoken with over here could talk about the issues being talked about now as constructively as you have.

I was actually thinking more on the lines of "I like your fire, I'd love to see what you come up with as a suggestion, because they are free and if you don't express your opinion than no one will know what it is."

Why I can't say its on the established members, is because every single year it seems the VHL has changed their incentives and ability to garner more interest to brand new members. And every single year it seems a new member comes in and suggests something else, almost like the perfect system is going to be different in each individuals eyes (which isn't unsurprisingly).

It's all in how you present it. If you want you can formulate a paragraph or whatever and post it and I can at least vouch for you doing so. Really depends on who you speak too like I mentioned to ArGar earlier. If someone who isn't established in a league or is confused themselves, tries to explain to you that board's system, you will lose interest. I started really rocky with C.J. James because I had no clue how the SHL system worked and how to you go about earning TPE. I think it was Brandon, Wasty and Morley who originally got me on the right track. (Couple WKP guys in S15 as well). Ever since then I've been able to gain points consistently, but a little too easily.

Part of me thinks people are just not instructed properly and some of it I think is laziness as some have come used to easy TP earning sim leagues.

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Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 06:49 PM


I did all of this.  I "loaded up".  Look at the disparity between the old guys and the new (fun game, guess where the recreates end and the true rookies start):



It's a circle jerk for old members.

The 4th person on that list is a player with no carryover.

Originally posted by C.J.@Jul 14 2015, 10:16 PM

I think this turned into a VHL bashing (constructively) and that's not what the OP was intending I don't think.

Unfortunately yes, it seems so. That was not my intention, I tried pointing out what is unappealing to me.

Not to be a dick, but the minimal activity shows something is wrong over there with the entry system if we are getting three dozen new members a season signing up and VHL is getting a handful.

And even the pension plan is build to cater to the old boys from what I could tell.

It seems a great place to be if you've been a member from the start, but not if you are just signing up.

My player is 4th on the list with no carryover, and if I had done my player profile and bio I would be about 30 tpe behind a person who spent like two real life years on their player and had carryover - I would hardly say you can't even the playing field with all of the incentives.

To be honest, aside from having no idea what I was doing and struggling to learn the ropes, my time in VHL I never felt I was majorly behind the rest, I rather quickly got a graphics grader job and made sigs which made it relatively easy to put up TPE. Iirc I think I even led the Vhlm in scoring or points for one season despite never being what I would consider truly active.

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Originally posted by ,Jul 14 2015@ 05:40 PM

I don't know what the new players will earn that will have an advantage vs old recreates
Correct me if i'm wrong but
[b]10 TPE TC = Once per career. So recreate can do this unless if I'm mistaken
Only a new member can do this. Recreate can only if he doesn't take carryover.
Rookie profile - 8TPE? = Once per career
Correct.
VHLM facility = only VHLMers so old players can do it to.
Yes anyone in the VHLM can (Recreate and Non-Recreates)
First 3 articles = per user or per player?
Doubled First 3 PT's is only for New Members. Recreates DON'T qualify.
VHLM prediciton = only VHLMers can do it but recreates and non-recreates can do it
Everyone in the VHLM can do it. They can also do the VHL. (These aren't guaranteed TPE by any means. I personally have only won a hand full of times).

I don't see what new players can do that a recreate can't do yet. so the recreates have carryover plus they have the progression advantage if they have a job.

If the job deduction percentage is too redundant (it looks like it because they aren't even earning that much) then I think reducing the carryover is the solution.[/b]

I bolded the answers.

Recreates can't do the:

3 PT's Doubled
VHLM Training Camp
New Member Survey (5 TPE)

The Carryover is based on a percentage of what season you retire (1st-8th Season) Ranging from 3-8% carryover respectively).

I mean one could say the carryover is too high in the VHL and the old boys club is too loyal to themselves, but the SHL has a system in place where 61 current players are over 1000 TPE (some well over). That type somewhat seems daunting for a new member when he signs up and sees those totals and says "How can I compete with that?". In the VHL their is less than 5 I think off the top of my head.

Just pointing out that both leagues have their areas where new member would be scared off. I know the TPE totals over here scared me when I first came here.

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Originally posted by Jackson@Jul 14 2015, 05:49 PM
My player is 4th on the list with no carryover, and if I had done my player profile and bio I would be about 30 tpe behind a person who spent like two real life years on their player and had carryover - I would hardly say you can't even the playing field with all of the incentives.

When did you earn your very first TPE on your current player?

Discord are for plebs

Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 05:43 PM


I was asked to show a way to earn 12+ TPE in a week.  +7 uncapped for the sims, add on your additional +8 standard (media 6, training 1, short article 1) and you are at an easy 15 TPE for the week.  I did what I was asked.

Claiming 12+ tpe in a week is not the same as earning 12+ tpe in a week. It still took multiple weeks to earn that amount.

Originally posted by Jackson@Jul 14 2015, 08:49 PM
My player is 4th on the list with no carryover, and if I had done my player profile and bio I would be about 30 tpe behind a person who spent like two real life years on their player and had carryover - I would hardly say you can't even the playing field with all of the incentives.

If I am understanding correctly you are Molholt?

Originally posted by C.J.@Jul 14 2015, 09:40 PM
Part of me thinks people are just not instructed properly and some of it I think is laziness as some have come used to easy TP earning sim leagues.

I don't know about lazy. I think when we come home from work or etc we want fun and when I go somewhere and my work is being judged by a fine tooth comb it is discouraging to write/create a PT on the VHL. I want to make something for fun not to have it judged. Fuck TSN, SportsNet, ESPN and the works have major errors in their articles but we get tackled and expectations dinged for TPE as minimal as it can be given out is why some folks aren't so enthusiastic with it. If I can write a piece that isn't stupid that is relevant that gimme my points :D

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Dave Smith | 77 | | D | LA Panthers | Vancouver Whalers | Hall of Fame
Asbjørn Alexandersen | 47 | RW | Texas Renegades  | Detroit Falcons
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