It doesn't matter. Good read OP.

Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 07:54 PM


If I am understanding correctly you are Molholt?

Yeah

Originally posted by Mac@Jul 14 2015, 05:46 PM


Unfortunately yes, it seems so. That was not my intention, I tried pointing out what is unappealing to me.

Not to be a dick, but the minimal activity shows something is wrong over there with the entry system if we are getting three dozen new members a season signing up and VHL is getting a handful.

And even the pension plan is build to cater to the old boys from what I could tell.

It seems a great place to be if you've been a member from the start, but not if you are just signing up.

The Pension is set up for past players sure, but from that response you are banking on Pension and then you really have no means to complain about entry or early TPE earning if you won't put an effort in. See where that sort of thinking can make your point but also un-make your point?

The minimal activity is because of a smaller member base sure, but i don't want to get into the argument regarding quality and quantity over here because it seems to go bashed and not noticed.

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Munk will explain it all....

Originally posted by C.J.@Jul 14 2015, 05:52 PM

I bolded the answers.

Recreates can't do the:

3 PT's Doubled
VHLM Training Camp
New Member Survey (5 TPE)

The Carryover is based on a percentage of what season you retire (1st-8th Season) Ranging from 3-8% carryover respectively).

I mean one could say the carryover is too high in the VHL and the old boys club is too loyal to themselves, but the SHL has a system in place where 61 current players are over 1000 TPE (some well over). That type somewhat seems daunting for a new member when he signs up and sees those totals and says "How can I compete with that?". In the VHL their is less than 5 I think off the top of my head.

Just pointing out that both leagues have their areas where new member would be scared off. I know the TPE totals over here scared me when I first came here.

Okay that's fair and the new member survey is up for everyone througout atleast the first VHLM career right?

I think that's pretty fair then that's atleast 12*3+10+5 = 51 TPE.

I think the next step is the demographics of the VHL if they are too middle heavy or top heavy, or the average TPE a player earns throughout their career. Also the amount of time it takes to earn TPE

If it's 8% regression, you'd have to earn ~600 TPE to match the new player's 50 TPE or you would be worst than the recreate
If it's 5% regression you'd need 1000 TPE to match the new player's 50 TPE build

but I think 61 TPE carryover - for just 10 more TPE more than the new player isn't really a problem for me at all.

It's maybe because new players are just not doing the point tasks or they rely on the 2 TPE pension, which we know will never be on the same level if you actually do some work.

Discord are for plebs

Originally posted by BigTittySmitty@Jul 14 2015, 05:55 PM


I don't know about lazy. I think when we come home from work or etc we want fun and when I go somewhere and my work is being judged by a fine tooth comb it is discouraging to write/create a PT on the VHL. I want to make something for fun not to have it judged. Fuck TSN, SportsNet, ESPN and the works have major errors in their articles but we get tackled and expectations dinged for TPE as minimal as it can be given out is why some folks aren't so enthusiastic with it. If I can write a piece that isn't stupid that is relevant that gimme my points :D

Oh trust me I agree. I should say as a guy who had to learn English as much as I had to learn German, being graded on things when I first joined the VHL was a bitch. That being said, I only ever received a 5 twice in the entire time I was there. Plug it into Microsoft Word and it's covered. I use to grade Graphics over here and I never received a 10/10 once, so hard to say both leagues don't grade. Grading has been a work in progress with some real douches in the past manning that job.

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Originally posted by UZI®@Jul 14 2015, 06:57 PM
Munk will explain it all....

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Originally posted by UZI®@Jul 14 2015, 06:57 PM
Munk will explain it all....

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Originally posted by Jackson@Jul 14 2015, 08:56 PM


Yeah

Well that would push us to the topic of buying TPE with real money. And I'm still not sure how I feel about that, so I would rather not comment/ was trying to avoid bringing that up in this thread.

Originally posted by Caillean@Jul 14 2015, 07:02 PM

Munk 4 prez

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Originally posted by ,Jul 14 2015@ 05:58 PM



Okay that's fair and the new member survey is up for everyone througout atleast the first VHLM career right?

I think that's pretty fair then that's atleast 12*3+10+5 = 51 TPE.

I think the next step is the demographics of the VHL if they are too middle heavy or top heavy, or the average TPE a player earns throughout their career. Also the amount of time it takes to earn TPE

If it's 8% regression, you'd have to earn ~600 TPE to match the new player's 50 TPE or you would be worst than the recreate
If it's 5% regression you'd need 1000 TPE to match the new player's 50 TPE build

but I think 61 TPE carryover - for just 10 more TPE more than the new player isn't really a problem for me at all.

It's maybe because new players are just not doing the point tasks or they rely on the 2 TPE pension, which we know will never be on the same level if you actually do some work.

I'm having trouble just because of your choice of words. I think what you meant in the first sentence is that the Member Survey is for everyone in the VHLM? If that's what you are saying then no, that is incorrect. It is only for brand new users/members in the VHL forum. Caillean is the angel who does that and does it well.

I think a lot of people rely on the Welfare too easily. Like I said above though I think a lot of people don't get explained the entire system well (much like when I came here first and went inactive because of it).

I should mention when you say Regression, do you mean percentage of carryover? Because I didn't even tackle the regression aspect of the VHL.

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My first VHL player did not earn a single TPE....0. I took one look at the quality of GFX and the grading and thought "fuck this".

I came back little later on and started posting a sig(that were shit) here and there and got terrible grades but I stuck with it and improved my efforts. I'm on my 3rd actual player now and have experienced an OK player, a better one and my 3rd guy is going decently too, so some of the onus needs to be on the member and the effort they put in, instead of the lack of TPE they have compared to members who have been there a while, that have earned a lot of TPE.

who cares about TPE.. I've had multiple HoF like players with 500 tpe pls bow

Originally posted by BeanSobie@Jul 14 2015, 09:02 PM


Well that would push us to the topic of buying TPE with real money.  And I'm still not sure how I feel about that, so I would rather not comment/ was trying to avoid bringing that up in this thread.

Yeah. I have done that twice in 19 seasons so I'm guilty of that...but I dislike the way it's open to abuse for cashed up members. I'm not paying anymore and the amount of TPE I am behind another draft class member of same year, is ridiculous. If they are going to keep that in place, I think it needs to be limited to once every 2-3 seasons.

Originally posted by Munk@Jul 14 2015, 07:03 PM



leave Jala for me and you c
an be vice-asspres

Vice-asspres you say... That's tempting.