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.bojo · 11-28-2016, 06:18 PM

How strict is the "voting" gonna be handled, will there be votes on pretty much everything (which could slow things down quite a bit) or only when people want to veto one of your proposals?

If it's not able to get half the votes within three days then it's not serious enough to veto. I think that's fair enough for this group of people who should be checking the forums at least once every other day.

Also, our GMs are all great members but I am a little worried about a certain "GM bias" if the majority of the people in charge of decisions are GMs. I don't think that they will make selfish decisions per se, but just the fact that ultimately GMs will lean towards the option that might benefit their team and not see the bigger picture. I'm talking about things like changes to the salary cap, or minimum contracts, where in the past GMs have been unanimously against changes that actually wound up being good for the league. Like, no GM likes a lower salary cap or higher minimum contracts, but ultimately those might be good for the league (just as an example).

It's true that could be an interesting block in the road. I will have to think more about that. Suggestions?

Sounds good, how exactly will the HO - DC collaboration work though? I remember that when I was on the DC there often was confusion about which parts of a decision come from the HO and which ones the DC is responsible of. Will this change mean that the DC handles ALL matters of discipline from now on, including multis, tampering cases and permabans, or will the HO still be involved in those decisions?

DC will be in charge of anything that's more along the lines of an ethics issue than something for SHL. GM's will can voice their opinions, but it will ultimately be DC's call. and Vice versa for other things called to a vote for SHL improvements/changes.

I can see the gray area that you're thinking, and I'm hoping we can just play it by ear for now.

I don't quite understand this but sounds interesting :lol:

Just a way to spice things up to make the sims more interesting. Allows you to follow more than just your team.

Sounds good! Let's not go overboard with the VHL recruitment though, we should keep it at 1-2 reddit posts per year, preferably in the summer. We don't wanna poison that well, just look at the VHL if you wanna see a system of yearly reddit recruitment that's remarkably ineffective.

yeah I want to work with people who have done this in the past to get their experience on the matter. Gotta keep that well fresh

Sounds good as well but I am somewhat skeptical about relaxing the cap too much, we have already made things harder and harder for casuals over the last few years, further catering to TPE-whales might drive even more of those members away. I actually like the idea a lot that someone else posted somewhere, where people can earn money instead of TPE once they hit the cap, at a much better rate than they would get for a regular article.

I just think it should be a system where you shouldn't feel limited on what you can do. I don't want to add more tpe to the pile, and honestly the suggestions that there should just be a seasonly TPE cap sounds great. but i also like your money instead of tpe idea as well.

Good start, but the whole process has been a bit of a mess lately, might be worth further looking into it to get people in there who actually care. Especially in the SMJHL, where I would prefer having actually engaged people in charge of the awards, not just the GMs who often see it as a chore.

Yeah, I'm worried that may currently be an issue. I don't see any discussion about this season's awards.

Lastly, one more thing that I would like to bring up. You remember the automatic updating tool idea that we talked about a few months back? Any chance we could explore this further?

I'd love to, but all of my designs to plan something like that are really backfiring as it makes it more complicated to do than how it is now. I will pay, like, actual cash to somebody who can find a way to improve that.

SabresFan · 11-28-2016, 06:23 PM

I made one comment about one thing earlier that concerned me a bit. I want to make sure that Bojo understand that about all the other stuff, I'm lovin it.

Possum Queen · 11-28-2016, 06:23 PM

Quote:Originally posted by RomanesEuntDomus@Nov 28 2016, 05:05 PM
Also, our GMs are all great members but I am a little worried about a certain "GM bias" if the majority of the people in charge of decisions are GMs. I don't think that they will make selfish decisions per se, but just the fact that ultimately GMs will lean towards the option that might benefit their team and not see the bigger picture. I'm talking about things like changes to the salary cap, or minimum contracts, where in the past GMs have been unanimously against changes that actually wound up being good for the league. Like, no GM likes a lower salary cap or higher minimum contracts, but ultimately those might be good for the league (just as an example).

This is something I was concerned about, but wasn't sure how to articulate until now.

Being a GM is only part of the experience of the site, and while I don't think it would happen intentionally, I worry that decisions being made only by GMs and commissioners could fail to adequately consider the experience of the average player. I know that since I've stepped down, I've had much less to do, and my focus has shifted greatly.

I'd suggest we have at least one or two people in the mix that hold no other league position and can offer the perspective of someone who's looking at things from the other side, so to speak.

Edit: Basically, what I think I'm getting at is not to do away with league advisers. Keep a couple people around to offer their opinions who hold no other head office jobs.

.bojo · 11-28-2016, 06:24 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Tanner@Nov 28 2016, 05:23 PM
I'd suggest we have at least one or two people in the mix that hold no other league position and can offer the perspective of someone who's looking at things from the other side, so to speak.

That's where the DC (and the simmer) can join in.

Merica · 11-28-2016, 06:48 PM

<a href='index.php?showuser=1269' rel='nofollow' alt='profile link' class='user-tagged mgroup-3'>Tanner</a> I think it'd be fairly easy to adjust things. I'm gonna continually harp on the fact that GMs should not be making league wide decisions and holding league jobs. I don't care who it is or how respected and revered they are, for the hundredth time it's the principal of it and setting that standard- taking away the possibility of a conflict of interest. It blows my mind that putting people in positions of conflict just goes without any opposition.

D.C.? Can't be a GM. For obvious reasons.

Commish? Again. It's blatantly obvious.

Awards? Haha yeah right.

GM should not be allowed to hold ANY job besides GM. Plain and simple. The only decisions they should be making that doesn't involve their team is when to have the draft date.

Take away the possibility of the problem and there won't be a problem.

.bojo · 11-28-2016, 07:14 PM

Merica has a point. Maybe instead of a D.C. We simply just have elected officials into HO. Those x amount of people then decide everything. Kinda goes back to what we had before but a little more simplified.

fgh · 11-28-2016, 07:17 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Nov 28 2016, 06:14 PM
Merica has a point. Maybe instead of a D.C. We simply just have elected officials into HO. Those x amount of people then decide everything. Kinda goes back to what we had before but a little more simplified.

Need limits though.

- Every HO member has to be from a different team
- x amount total, x/2 from each conference
- If a player is traded and switches conferences or is traded to a team with someone else in HO, an election is held to fill the vacancy

Merica · 11-28-2016, 07:17 PM

Quote:Originally posted by Bojo@Nov 28 2016, 06:14 PM
Merica has a point. Maybe instead of a D.C. We simply just have elected officials into HO. Those x amount of people then decide everything. Kinda goes back to what we had before but a little more simplified.

Our very own congress.

.bojo · 11-28-2016, 07:19 PM

Quote:Originally posted by mpc@Nov 28 2016, 06:17 PM

Need limits though.

- Every HO member has to be from a different team
- x amount total, x/2 from each conference
- If a player is traded and switches conferences or is traded to a team with someone else in HO, an election is held to fill the vacancy